Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion

03-05-2024, 04:02 PM

Speaking of negativity ... I definitely see Carr as better than Russell Wilson, as well.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2024, 04:17 PM

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2024, 05:49 PM

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2024, 05:53 PM

This is so true. The talent pool in the NFL is getting shallower by the year at certain positions.

BakoSaint · 03-05-2024, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Speaking of negativity ... I definitely see Carr as better than Russell Wilson, as well.

https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/...99349598425482

If the options are:

A. Derek Carr

B. Russell Wilson

C. DeShaun Watson

Then much like Hepatitis, I would rather have A than B or C.

But to use this analogy I had to look up which Hepatitis is the least bad, and I would really rather have none of the above.

Unfortunately while Hepatitis A is the most transmissible according to my google search, Carr's contract makes him untradable unless we kick in a 1st round pick.

It is what it is with Carr. His contract is guaranteed so we have to see what we have. But I am not impressed with a season where he boosted his numbers against weak competition and the best opposing QBs he could beat were Mayfield, Tannehill, Minshew, and Young. But I think we need to approach the 2025 salary cap with the goal of having an offramp after Year 2 of the contract, just like the Broncos did with Wilson, and like the Browns wish they could with Watson.

I hope the Falcons end up with Russ Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, or perhaps Baker Mayfield, ie someone I dont think has much upside. But I don't think Carr has much upside either, I think he is what he is, I hope he proves me wrong but I am not will to go 'all in' to bet on him, I want the option of an offramp.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2024, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If the options are:

A. Derek Carr

B. Russell Wilson

C. DeShaun Watson

Then much like Hepatitis, I would rather have A than B or C.

But to use this analogy I had to look up which Hepatitis is the least bad, and I would really rather have none of the above.

Unfortunately while Hepatitis A is the most transmissible according to my google search, Carr's contract makes him untradable unless we kick in a 1st round pick.

It is what it is with Carr. His contract is guaranteed so we have to see what we have. But I am not impressed with a season where he boosted his numbers against weak competition and the best opposing QBs he could beat were Mayfield, Tannehill, Minshew, and Young. But I think we need to approach the 2025 salary cap with the goal of having an offramp after Year 2 of the contract, just like the Broncos did with Wilson, and like the Browns wish they could with Watson.

Carr was never signed as a stop gap. He was signed as our QB for the foreseeable future. Why is there even a consideration of a trade? Thank God you aren't anywhere close to making our decisions.

BakoSaint · 03-05-2024, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Carr was never signed as a stop gap. He was signed as our QB for the foreseeable future. Why is there even a consideration of a trade? Thank God you aren't anywhere close to making our decisions.

Because Derek Carr is mediocre and everyone in the world but you and our front office know it. While slightly better than present day Russell Wilson, he is absolutely being compared to him for a reason, and even you brought up the comparison because at some level you know its valid.

You can want Derek Carr to be a long term solution. The Saints can sign him as one. But that probably won't make him one, unless what you want long term is mediocrity. I continue to believe that Drew Bledsoe's tenure with the Bill is a reasonable comp.

AsylumGuido · 03-05-2024, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Because Derek Carr is mediocre and everyone in the world but you and our front office know it. While slightly better than present day Russell Wilson, he is absolutely being compared to him for a reason, and even you brought up the comparison because at some level you know its valid.

You can want Derek Carr to be a long term solution. The Saints can sign him as one. But that probably won't make him one, unless what you want long term is mediocrity. I continue to believe that Drew Bledsoe's tenure with the Bill is a reasonable comp.

Believe whatever you want in your cyber world. There is nothing that will ever satisfy you as long as your personal obsession Loomis is in charge. That, my friend, is called a personal problem.

BakoSaint · 03-05-2024, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Believe whatever you want in your cyber world. There is nothing that will ever satisfy you as long as your personal obsession Loomis is in charge. That, my friend, is called a personal problem.

If Loomis completely changed virtually all of the philosophies that have dictated his decisions for the past decade or so that would also satisfy me. Occasionally I see glimmers of hope, like when you posted that Cam Jordan's restructure was much smaller than expected, which turned out to be a typo and you were equally supportive of the decision when it turned out to be another max restructure.

It's nothing personal with me and Loomis. I just disagree with 95% of his decisions and don't enjoy what I see as my team being led in absolutely the wrong direction, squandering the finals years of Brees career, driving away Sean Payton, and settling into mediocrity without Brees and Payton while assembling the oldest team in the league with the least cap space, youth, and draft picks to have upside to improve. Imagine if you had very clear thoughts on what decisions you thought the Saints should make and they did the opposite 95% of the time. I imagine you might express displeasure with the person making those decisions, if you had any independent mind of your own.

BakoSaint · 03-05-2024, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is so true. The talent pool in the NFL is getting shallower by the year at certain positions.

https://twitter.com/greggrosenthal/s...21411184832915

As evidenced by Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, and DeShaun Watson. Teams created cap space but did not find a quality player. They found a player another team discarded for non-financial reasons.

But it is easier to retain your own quality players such as Hendrickson, Williams, Elliss, Johnson, and Armstead if you have cap space.

In general I am not a big fan of high dollar free agents. It's best to retain your own when they are young, healthy, and productive but be able to move on when they are old, beat up, and declining.

It's best to replace aging/injured players internally which means needing a lot of draft picks, which means trading down more than trading up, trading current year picks at a premium more than trading future picks as a discount, and trading aging veterans for draft picks not draft picks for aging veterans. There can be times it makes sense to poach another teams player coming off their rookie contract at a good value in free agency, like Keenan Lewis who did not have a spot to start much on his first team or Demario Davis who was not the best fit on his first team. But in general the draft is the answer not free agency. And to build and retain through the draft you need more draft picks not less.

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03-05-2024, 05:53 PM	#164
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03-05-2024, 05:56 PM	#165
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Speaking of negativity ... I definitely see Carr as better than Russell Wilson, as well. https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/...99349598425482 If the options are: A. Derek Carr B. Russell Wilson C. DeShaun Watson Then much like Hepatitis, I would rather have A than B or C. But to use this analogy I had to look up which Hepatitis is the least bad, and I would really rather have none of the above. Unfortunately while Hepatitis A is the most transmissible according to my google search, Carr's contract makes him untradable unless we kick in a 1st round pick. It is what it is with Carr. His contract is guaranteed so we have to see what we have. But I am not impressed with a season where he boosted his numbers against weak competition and the best opposing QBs he could beat were Mayfield, Tannehill, Minshew, and Young. But I think we need to approach the 2025 salary cap with the goal of having an offramp after Year 2 of the contract, just like the Broncos did with Wilson, and like the Browns wish they could with Watson. I hope the Falcons end up with Russ Wilson, Mac Jones, Justin Fields, or perhaps Baker Mayfield, ie someone I dont think has much upside. But I don't think Carr has much upside either, I think he is what he is, I hope he proves me wrong but I am not will to go 'all in' to bet on him, I want the option of an offramp. SmashMouth and Sinner like this.
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03-05-2024, 06:02 PM	#166
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by BakoSaint If the options are: A. Derek Carr B. Russell Wilson C. DeShaun Watson Then much like Hepatitis, I would rather have A than B or C. But to use this analogy I had to look up which Hepatitis is the least bad, and I would really rather have none of the above. Unfortunately while Hepatitis A is the most transmissible according to my google search, Carr's contract makes him untradable unless we kick in a 1st round pick. It is what it is with Carr. His contract is guaranteed so we have to see what we have. But I am not impressed with a season where he boosted his numbers against weak competition and the best opposing QBs he could beat were Mayfield, Tannehill, Minshew, and Young. But I think we need to approach the 2025 salary cap with the goal of having an offramp after Year 2 of the contract, just like the Broncos did with Wilson, and like the Browns wish they could with Watson. Carr was never signed as a stop gap. He was signed as our QB for the foreseeable future. Why is there even a consideration of a trade? Thank God you aren't anywhere close to making our decisions.

03-05-2024, 06:08 PM	#167
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Carr was never signed as a stop gap. He was signed as our QB for the foreseeable future. Why is there even a consideration of a trade? Thank God you aren't anywhere close to making our decisions. Because Derek Carr is mediocre and everyone in the world but you and our front office know it. While slightly better than present day Russell Wilson, he is absolutely being compared to him for a reason, and even you brought up the comparison because at some level you know its valid. You can want Derek Carr to be a long term solution. The Saints can sign him as one. But that probably won't make him one, unless what you want long term is mediocrity. I continue to believe that Drew Bledsoe's tenure with the Bill is a reasonable comp. Sinner likes this.
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03-05-2024, 06:21 PM	#168
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,214	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by BakoSaint Because Derek Carr is mediocre and everyone in the world but you and our front office know it. While slightly better than present day Russell Wilson, he is absolutely being compared to him for a reason, and even you brought up the comparison because at some level you know its valid. You can want Derek Carr to be a long term solution. The Saints can sign him as one. But that probably won't make him one, unless what you want long term is mediocrity. I continue to believe that Drew Bledsoe's tenure with the Bill is a reasonable comp. Believe whatever you want in your cyber world. There is nothing that will ever satisfy you as long as your personal obsession Loomis is in charge. That, my friend, is called a personal problem.

03-05-2024, 07:00 PM	#169
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Believe whatever you want in your cyber world. There is nothing that will ever satisfy you as long as your personal obsession Loomis is in charge. That, my friend, is called a personal problem. If Loomis completely changed virtually all of the philosophies that have dictated his decisions for the past decade or so that would also satisfy me. Occasionally I see glimmers of hope, like when you posted that Cam Jordan's restructure was much smaller than expected, which turned out to be a typo and you were equally supportive of the decision when it turned out to be another max restructure. It's nothing personal with me and Loomis. I just disagree with 95% of his decisions and don't enjoy what I see as my team being led in absolutely the wrong direction, squandering the finals years of Brees career, driving away Sean Payton, and settling into mediocrity without Brees and Payton while assembling the oldest team in the league with the least cap space, youth, and draft picks to have upside to improve. Imagine if you had very clear thoughts on what decisions you thought the Saints should make and they did the opposite 95% of the time. I imagine you might express displeasure with the person making those decisions, if you had any independent mind of your own. Sinner likes this.
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03-05-2024, 07:36 PM	#170
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is so true. The talent pool in the NFL is getting shallower by the year at certain positions. https://twitter.com/greggrosenthal/s...21411184832915 As evidenced by Derek Carr, Russell Wilson, and DeShaun Watson. Teams created cap space but did not find a quality player. They found a player another team discarded for non-financial reasons. But it is easier to retain your own quality players such as Hendrickson, Williams, Elliss, Johnson, and Armstead if you have cap space. In general I am not a big fan of high dollar free agents. It's best to retain your own when they are young, healthy, and productive but be able to move on when they are old, beat up, and declining. It's best to replace aging/injured players internally which means needing a lot of draft picks, which means trading down more than trading up, trading current year picks at a premium more than trading future picks as a discount, and trading aging veterans for draft picks not draft picks for aging veterans. There can be times it makes sense to poach another teams player coming off their rookie contract at a good value in free agency, like Keenan Lewis who did not have a spot to start much on his first team or Demario Davis who was not the best fit on his first team. But in general the draft is the answer not free agency. And to build and retain through the draft you need more draft picks not less. Sinner, lee909 and darksoul35 like this.
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