Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion

leilung · 02-02-2024, 10:20 AM

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

BakoSaint · 02-02-2024, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

If we are smart, which in my experience Mickey Loomis is not, we can realistically move on from Carr in spring 2025. His 2024 $30 millionsalary was guaranteed so we could not save anything much by cutting him, and although the restructure will make the dead cap higher to cut him in 2025 we had to restructure 3/4 of our veterans and it does not matter that much which we choose as long as we cut some of the lousy ones not some of the good ones. It becomes a sunk cost whether the restructure is Carr or Jordan or McCoy etc. Restucturing Carr does guarantee his 2025 $10 million roster bonus but his $30 million 2025 base salary is not guaranteed. $10 million guaranteed is a lot easier to move on from than $30 million guaranteed but the dead cap hit to cut in in 2025 would be big, like $50 million, but at least we save that $30 million to offset. The big thing we need to do to be smart is to get ourselves in a better position with the 2025 cap so we can afford to move on from Carr if needed. To do that we need to use whatever small amount of cap flexibility we can create in 2024 to move on from other aging vets without guaranteed salaries, not to add players to win now as if Hunter Renfrow will be our answer to Patrick Mahomes. If we take some cap hits to offload a few plyers like Thomas, Winston, Kamara, Ram, Lattimore trade, Hill, etc, not all but some, we can free up cap to have options with Carr in 2025. If we go all in, Carr could go 0-17 and curse the popes name to Gayles facr and we will have to restructure him for life.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2024, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

mapcow · 02-02-2024, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team...

Sinner · 02-02-2024, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team...

The hypnosis runs deep.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-03-2024, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

The hypnosis runs deep.

It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions.

It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2024, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions.

It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults

SFIAH

Nope. Not hypnosis here. I simply know when something is totally outside of my control I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather ***** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything.

Sinner · 02-03-2024, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not hypnosis here. I simply know when something is totally outside of my control I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather ***** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything.

I would post an image of a cow sh*tting into your smiling mouth, but It would require almost as much effort as our Saints putting a winning team on the field next season, which AINT gonna happen.

vpheughan · 02-03-2024, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not hypnosis here. I simply know when something is totally outside of my control I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather ***** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything.

This response is one of those "somethings" "you simply know is totally outside of your control."
Show Us It's True "you accept the REALITY that there is nothing YOU can say or do that can change anything"

Sinner · 02-03-2024, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions.

It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults

SFIAH

As a long time Saints Fan, I am entitled to vent my harsh judgments and fault finding in a Saints Forum. Y’all are entitled to sit with the same basket of lemons, and make as much lemonade as you wish. I prefer to demand caviar from a multimillion dollar enterprise. Or at least, a nice slice of NY Pizza. I’m talking and venting about a professional football team. You’re talking about me.
That’s the only difference between us.

02-02-2024, 10:20 AM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,431	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

02-02-2024, 10:48 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by leilung Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/ If we are smart, which in my experience Mickey Loomis is not, we can realistically move on from Carr in spring 2025. His 2024 $30 millionsalary was guaranteed so we could not save anything much by cutting him, and although the restructure will make the dead cap higher to cut him in 2025 we had to restructure 3/4 of our veterans and it does not matter that much which we choose as long as we cut some of the lousy ones not some of the good ones. It becomes a sunk cost whether the restructure is Carr or Jordan or McCoy etc. Restucturing Carr does guarantee his 2025 $10 million roster bonus but his $30 million 2025 base salary is not guaranteed. $10 million guaranteed is a lot easier to move on from than $30 million guaranteed but the dead cap hit to cut in in 2025 would be big, like $50 million, but at least we save that $30 million to offset. The big thing we need to do to be smart is to get ourselves in a better position with the 2025 cap so we can afford to move on from Carr if needed. To do that we need to use whatever small amount of cap flexibility we can create in 2024 to move on from other aging vets without guaranteed salaries, not to add players to win now as if Hunter Renfrow will be our answer to Patrick Mahomes. If we take some cap hits to offload a few plyers like Thomas, Winston, Kamara, Ram, Lattimore trade, Hill, etc, not all but some, we can free up cap to have options with Carr in 2025. If we go all in, Carr could go 0-17 and curse the popes name to Gayles facr and we will have to restructure him for life.
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02-02-2024, 11:19 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by leilung Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/ There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

02-02-2024, 12:33 PM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson. ....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team... Sinner likes this.
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02-02-2024, 01:38 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by mapcow ....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team... The hypnosis runs deep.
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02-03-2024, 08:58 AM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by Sinner The hypnosis runs deep. It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions. It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults SFIAH Danno and AsylumGuido like this.
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02-03-2024, 09:42 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions. It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults SFIAH Nope. Not hypnosis here. I simply know when something is totally outside of my control I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather ***** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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02-03-2024, 10:38 AM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not hypnosis here. I simply know when something is totally outside of my control I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather ***** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything. I would post an image of a cow sh*tting into your smiling mouth, but It would require almost as much effort as our Saints putting a winning team on the field next season, which AINT gonna happen. vpheughan, mapcow and K Major like this.
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02-03-2024, 08:31 PM	#9
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,561	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not hypnosis here. *I simply know when something is totally outside of my control* I choose to make the best of it. Being a Saints fan gives me enjoyment. I'm not going to ruin that feeling by looking for things of which to complain. So I would fall into that vast majority that make up your lemon example, albeit far more vocal than most. Those much smaller numbers on the other end of the spectrum would rather *** and moan about those things that they have no ability to change. They are far more vocal, I suppose because there's nothing else they can do, and never accept the reality that there is nothing they can say or do that can change anything. This response is one of those "somethings" "you simply know is totally outside of your control." Show Us It's True "you accept the REALITY that there is nothing YOU* can say or do that can change anything"*** jnormand and K Major like this.
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02-03-2024, 10:35 AM	#10
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's not hypnosis for most of us (well maybe for Guido). It's just an understanding that we're stuck with the status quo. If you ask most folks here if they could swap the owner/GM/HC/QB most would try to upgrade one or more of those positions. It's just that most of us see this "we have lemons, let's try try to make lemonade" as opposed to you and a few others with "we have lemons, let's complain and starve because it isn't caviar. While looking for that word autocorrect popped up the word caviler which seems to describe you perfectly: a person given to harsh judgments and to finding faults SFIAH As a long time Saints Fan, I am entitled to vent my harsh judgments and fault finding in a Saints Forum. Y’all are entitled to sit with the same basket of lemons, and make as much lemonade as you wish. I prefer to demand caviar from a multimillion dollar enterprise. Or at least, a nice slice of NY Pizza. I’m talking and venting about a professional football team. You’re talking about me. That’s the only difference between us. vpheughan, mapcow and K Major like this.
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