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Based on what I’ve heard from reporters after a full week of padded practices, I think the Saints need to acquire a quality WR. Doesn’t appear as if Perry is ready to take his game to the next level just yet. Can’t rely on the injured guys.

Juwan is out & the only reliable 3rd down option is AK.

If Olave (not a big guy) is out for any amount of time, we’re in trouble.

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If Olave and Shaheed were to miss the entire season, our wide receiving corps would only be as good at the reigning super bowl champs.

Honestly I think when a team is more in a stage of being several players away than one player away from Super Bowl contention, it is a smarter play to give your young players a chance to step up and build something for the future than to trade assets and spend cap money for fill in solutions to 'win now'. Any veteran receiver we got would be some other teams castaway and have a higher floor but a lower ceiling than a young player. If our young players can't live up to the chance, we can bring in other young players who will play for the minimum, and if they all fail we will get a higher draft pick.

Ultimately Carr is not paid the money he is paid to say 'sorry I could not do anything because the #3 WR was not good enough.' Others QBs like Rodgers and Mahomes have got it done with garbage #1 receivers. Our 2021 squad had Callaway as the #1 WR and now Callaway is so low on Carr's depth chart he is a camp body.

All these injuries are not great. I guess our strength coach is more focused on 34yo Taysom Hill's olympic power lifting career.

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....tough one to have to depend on the thug to prevail. sorry. :beatnik:

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Salient points. Our consistently troublesome injuries (which have too easily become an excuse for losing) are a direct reflection of the mismanagement of our strength and conditioning team, just like having Derek Carr as our QB and Dennis Allen as our Head Coach, is a direct reflection of our mismanagement at the highest levels.

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Day 9 of Training Camp ...

Updates to follow.

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Per Allen, no Rasheed at practice today.

Dealing with tightness in hamstring.

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Welcome to Day 10 of training camp :bng:

Stay tuned ...

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Did not practice:

Marshon Lattimore hip flexor
Demario Davis hamstring
Kendre Miller hamstring
Rashid Shaheed hamstring
Pete Werner shoulder
Payton Turner toe
Nathan Shepard toe
Paulson Adebo has some groin tightness. Didn’t do team drills today.

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Here we go again. The Injury Train is pulling into the station!

When will this team take a hard look at their Training & Conditioning staff/ program and make changes? I can't remember in recent memory so many nicked up players before the first pre-season game!

(And yes AG, I know that injuries will happen without rhyme or reason as part of the game. I'm just looking forward to starting a season with everyone healthy for once!)

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Payton Turner is a china doll. He's essentially Davenport 2.0.

Mr.TCU (Kendre Miller) can't be counted on either.

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The bad thing about drafting Miller is that the Saints brass passed on two better running backs in the draft to get him. Achane and Spears were both better backs. Was anything ever said by Saints staff as to why they chose Miller over those two guys?

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New "Dynamic" Kick Off rules explained by our own Special Teams Coach, Darren Rizzi. This breaks it down so even a caveman can get it! (So I needed this explanation!!!)

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...rules-changes/

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Happy Monday & Welcome to Day 11 of Camp :bng:

More updates to follow.

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Our consistent injury situation speaks directly to our consistent strength and conditioning mismanagement.

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YYYYAWWWWWNnn... here is to ANOTHER subpar season. Wonderful :beatnik:

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“It’s going to take a few more decades, and I’m so excited…” ~ Quido

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Injuries are often predictable.

Lattimore and Davis are old for their positions. A higher chance of even small injuries proving to be nagging and following one after another is just the reality of their positions at their ages in the NFL.

Rasheed Shaheed was available as an UDFA partly due to concerns about his being undersized and college injury history missing a year with a torn ACL. He has been prone to injuries in the pros also. He is an exciting player and great value but the injuries come with the territory.

Payton Turner is glass. Some players just can't adjust to the physicality and workout regimens of the pro game and their bodies break down. Kendre Miller may prove to be the same.

The Saints likely have issues with strength and conditioning as well as medical staff. However, many of these injuries are predictable and result from the calculated risks of the front office more than anything else. There are many teams that would have tried to get ahead of the injury risk by moving on from players like Lattimore and Davis early. Others would have gladly gave up trade fodder or comp picks and big contracts to get those players before these issues arose, or in Lattimore's case a year or two ago. The Rams for example cut Bobby Wagner last offseason, and have made a habit of trading away corners as they age or suffer injury, such as Jalen Ramsey or Marcus Peters. Its a risk either way, as such players have great ability so you lose if they stay health and continue to contribute and your younger replacement doesn't, but you also lose if you hold onto the player too long and pay them $20 million to limp around the field. Regardless, since the Saints tend toward the strategy of holding onto these players, the Saints will tend to lose in the way of paying them to limp around the field, rather than risk watching them excel elsewhere if they stay healthy. Personally, I would have kept Davis since he agreed to a team friendly deal that the Wagner's and Lattimore's likely refused, and cut Lattimore if nobody would offer trade value for his 50% availability. I do not know the exact terms of Lattimore's deal as to whether he could still be cut.

Other teams have players like Turner and Miller who they had high hopes for as draft picks, but have been plagues by injury. Some teams would have traded Turner by now, but any team could have a Miller. We live with the choices we make. If we had traded Turner we would have risked another Rob Ninkovich, but on the other hand we have not regretted cutting loose Davenport so you have to pick a risk. We usually pick injury risk.

If there is a downside to the 49ers system we may be planning to emulate, it is that lots of motion and targeting the middle of the field can produce even more injuries. How will this work with the oldest roster in the league and bias to signing players from the injury refurb bargain bin and never giving up on them? We will find out. We may need more depth of young players to sustain this system, which are starting to address by not trading up in the first round and not spending all our money on one blockbuster acquisition in free agency.

Injuries happen randomly, so does cancer. But both are also influenced by choices, risk factors are definitely known, and avoiding them won't guarantee safety, but ignoring them will raise risk. If you had to guess which would be the most injured team, it would be reasonable to guess that it might be the oldest team, which also seeks out injury reclamation projects in the draft. We are still living with the ghost of what gamblers call beginners luck with Drew Brees. The first big trip to Vegas Mickey Loomis went straight to the craps table and threw all his chips down on #9. He won big. But it didnt teach him caution, and in the long run for every Brees we are due a lot of Cameron Merediths.

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I think the major risk factor is called "playing professional football".

Turner was back to practice today so let's not go cutting anyone just yet...

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This is like defending a drunk driver by saying the major risk factor is driving. As car insurance companies know, anyone can get in an accident but past history is a strong indicator.

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Where do you come up with this stupid ****? Show us solid numbers proving there are substantially more injuries at any period of the NFL calendar year by the Saints than your average NFL franchise.

For anyone aware of the past history of the NFL they would know that injuries are a routine part of the game, be it offseason, preseason, regular season, or God forbid the postseason.

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For anyone aware of the past and more recent history of certain masochistic fans who may be shortsighted by fogged up rose colored glasses, we just seem to conveniently use “injuries” as an excuse to have consistent lackluster seasons, when in fact, we’re simply lackluster AND injury-prone… again.

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Salient points.