Reasons To Be Positive

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-15-2024, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

It not about ME. This is a SAINTS FORUM. It’s about the SAINTS.

Mickey Loomis is quoted as saying, “I think sometimes the easy thing to do, the lazy thing to do is look at the results of the season and say ‘ah it’s the coach’s fault, it’s the quarterback’s fault.’ I think sometimes you have to look beyond that,” Loomis said, pointing to the records each of those coaches achieved in their first two years on the job. Walsh went 8-24 in his first two years with the San Francisco 49ers. Noll was 6-22 with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Belichick had a 13-19 showing after his first two years with the Cleveland Browns. Payton went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years on the job.

But it’s a bogus comparison. Allen may be 16-18 after two seasons with the Saints, but you can’t compare these situations the way Loomis is trying to. It isn’t like Allen is new to the responsibilities of being a head coach. He had three years to figure these things out a decade ago with the Raiders. Walsh, Noll, Belichick, and Payton were all first-timers. Allen has been here before but he doesn’t have the results to show for it.

To be clear, Loomis should believe in Allen seeing that he brought the coach back for a third year at the helm. Loomis, however, doesn’t need to make ridiculous comparisons to attempt to defend his guy. The comparisons are meant to express things haven’t gone well but can get better, and Dennis Allen’s record isn’t a full reflection of his ability Comparing Allen to Payton and Belichick, and multiple Hall of Famers, dilutes the point.

And Payton, specifically, accomplished much more than Allen had to this point in his career. Has Loomis forgotten that he led the Saints to the NFC championship game in his first season with New Orleans? That he won more games in his first year as a head coach than Allen has ever managed in five? Allen can’t even win the weakest division in pro football two years running.

But Loomis hired Allen, and he’s going to keep making excuses for Allen’s shortcomings until things change. And hopefully they will. There’s enough talent on this roster to get into the playoffs. Maybe the Saints can make enough changes to the coaching staff this offseason to get over that hump. Maybe not… But they can do that without having their general manager embarrass himself whenever he gets in front of a microphone, and making a mockery of our loyalty as fans.

No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him.

But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years.

Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining.

SFIAH

07-15-2024, 09:32 PM	#11
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Reasons To Be Positive Originally Posted by Sinner It not about ME. This is a SAINTS FORUM. It’s about the SAINTS. Mickey Loomis is quoted as saying, “I think sometimes the easy thing to do, the lazy thing to do is look at the results of the season and say ‘ah it’s the coach’s fault, it’s the quarterback’s fault.’ I think sometimes you have to look beyond that,” Loomis said, pointing to the records each of those coaches achieved in their first two years on the job. Walsh went 8-24 in his first two years with the San Francisco 49ers. Noll was 6-22 with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Belichick had a 13-19 showing after his first two years with the Cleveland Browns. Payton went 7-9 and 8-8 in his second and third years on the job. But it’s a bogus comparison. Allen may be 16-18 after two seasons with the Saints, but you can’t compare these situations the way Loomis is trying to. It isn’t like Allen is new to the responsibilities of being a head coach. He had three years to figure these things out a decade ago with the Raiders. Walsh, Noll, Belichick, and Payton were all first-timers. Allen has been here before but he doesn’t have the results to show for it. To be clear, Loomis should believe in Allen seeing that he brought the coach back for a third year at the helm. Loomis, however, doesn’t need to make ridiculous comparisons to attempt to defend his guy. The comparisons are meant to express things haven’t gone well but can get better, and Dennis Allen’s record isn’t a full reflection of his ability Comparing Allen to Payton and Belichick, and multiple Hall of Famers, dilutes the point. And Payton, specifically, accomplished much more than Allen had to this point in his career. Has Loomis forgotten that he led the Saints to the NFC championship game in his first season with New Orleans? That he won more games in his first year as a head coach than Allen has ever managed in five? Allen can’t even win the weakest division in pro football two years running. But Loomis hired Allen, and he’s going to keep making excuses for Allen’s shortcomings until things change. And hopefully they will. There’s enough talent on this roster to get into the playoffs. Maybe the Saints can make enough changes to the coaching staff this offseason to get over that hump. Maybe not… But they can do that without having their general manager embarrass himself whenever he gets in front of a microphone, and making a mockery of our loyalty as fans. No. It's about you. All you ever do it complain about where we are. You never give a suggestion about what to do, other than fire Allen then full stop, or what the organization should have done. I gave you a list of the 10 coaches hired Allen's year, and another watch list for 2025 and asked you to discuss. As always you refused. You'd rather just talk about how terrible Allen is and how terrible Loomis is for picking him. But buddy, your worst nightmare may be coming. The 2024 Saints have a realistic chance of going 10-7 and winning the NFC South. They then get to host a playoff game, which winning may be a possibility. And then your're going be stuck with Allen for another 4 years. Of course it's my worst nightmare too, because then I'll have 4 more years of hearing your whining. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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