Time To Move On At Tackle?

MatthewT · 08-28-2024, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak.

Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2024, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.

Oh, come on. Neither Rattler or Haener are anywhere near ready to play. Believe it or not Carr is not a bad QB and easily gives us our best chance to win. He protects the ball and throws for a high percentage. Winning is the only thing that will keep Allen and his entire staff around next season and that includes Kubiak. They are all aware that Carr is far and away our best short term solution.

BakoSaint · 08-28-2024, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak.

Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2024, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.

Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.

MatthewT · 08-28-2024, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.

You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...

AsylumGuido · 08-28-2024, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...

No. Are you? It appears that this is what you do too when I am concerned. You always call me out. It's quite apparent you don't like me. That's cool. But it's nothing beyond discussion and when any of us post on forums it is part of the platform.

Just chill, Matt. We're all on the same team. We are all passionate about our team.

When debating a subject Bako is a very competent opponent. He can hold his own and, I am sure, doesn't need help. He obviously relishes these discussions as much as myself. We both have different approaches but, believe me, it is all in fun. To a point, of course.

saintsfan1976 · 08-28-2024, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Trent Williams. Not knowing the up front cost...

Should we? Could we?

He's a beast!

A 36 year old beast who wants mega money.

I think SF still owes him $60MM

BakoSaint · 08-29-2024, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.

Yeah they just all keep deciding that Jared Stidham gives them the best chance to win at the end of the year when they are getting good but not great results from a $30-40 million QB whose contract would be guaranteed by injury.

AsylumGuido · 08-29-2024, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yeah they just all keep deciding that Jared Stidham gives them the best chance to win at the end of the year when they are getting good but not great results from a $30-40 million QB whose contract would be guaranteed by injury.

Which means nothing to any coach, nor should it. Their jobs are to do their best to win games now because if they don't they won't have a job in the future.

SmashMouth · 08-30-2024, 08:57 AM

08-28-2024, 04:24 PM	#101
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak. Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.

08-28-2024, 04:38 PM	#102
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by MatthewT Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change. Oh, come on. Neither Rattler or Haener are anywhere near ready to play. Believe it or not Carr is not a bad QB and easily gives us our best chance to win. He protects the ball and throws for a high percentage. Winning is the only thing that will keep Allen and his entire staff around next season and that includes Kubiak. They are all aware that Carr is far and away our best short term solution.

08-28-2024, 06:05 PM	#103
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak. Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.
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08-28-2024, 06:09 PM	#104
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025. Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.

08-28-2024, 06:33 PM	#105
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts. You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by MatthewT You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do... No. Are you? It appears that this is what you do too when I am concerned. You always call me out. It's quite apparent you don't like me. That's cool. But it's nothing beyond discussion and when any of us post on forums it is part of the platform. Just chill, Matt. We're all on the same team. We are all passionate about our team. When debating a subject Bako is a very competent opponent. He can hold his own and, I am sure, doesn't need help. He obviously relishes these discussions as much as myself. We both have different approaches but, believe me, it is all in fun. To a point, of course. BakoSaint likes this.
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08-28-2024, 08:47 PM	#107
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts. Yeah they just all keep deciding that Jared Stidham gives them the best chance to win at the end of the year when they are getting good but not great results from a $30-40 million QB whose contract would be guaranteed by injury.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Time To Move On At Tackle? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Yeah they just all keep deciding that Jared Stidham gives them the best chance to win at the end of the year when they are getting good but not great results from a $30-40 million QB whose contract would be guaranteed by injury. Which means nothing to any coach, nor should it. Their jobs are to do their best to win games now because if they don't they won't have a job in the future.

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