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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Bullcrap, Bako. LOL! Carr would never be tempted to stay injured. Man, your are really reaching now. Wacky is putting it mildly. Lets say Carr’s season is a mixed bag and expectations are the Saints may ...

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Old 08-28-2024, 02:13 PM   #1
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Bullcrap, Bako. LOL! Carr would never be tempted to stay injured. Man, your are really reaching now. Wacky is putting it mildly.
Lets say Carr’s season is a mixed bag and expectations are the Saints may cut him or ask him to take a pay cut. Then supposed that in the 12/15/24 game he sustains an injury that is diagnosed on 12/17 as requiring a surgery with a a 12 week estimated recovery time. If Carr has surgery immediately, spends xmas in a hospital, skips new years and valentines to rehab, and is highly dedicated to his physical therapy with no breaks he still wont get to play any more games during the year, but he may be able to pass a physical by 3/17/25, 12 weeks and 6 days later, in order to allow himself to potentially be cut and lose $30 million. However, if he gets a second opinion, has the procedure on 1/3/25 after holidays with family, and does a lot of physical therapy but takes a few days off for family, he can pass the physical in April before the draft and lock in $30 million guaranteed when he cant be cut on 3/17/25. What would anyone do? This is not a matter of character its a matter of putting family first and making smart decisions. And its part of why Carr and Wilson sat the last few games with their former teams.
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Old 08-28-2024, 02:15 PM   #2
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Lets say Carr’s season is a mixed bag and expectations are the Saints may cut him or ask him to take a pay cut. Then supposed that in the 12/15/24 game he sustains an injury that is diagnosed on 12/17 as requiring a surgery with a a 12 week estimated recovery time. If Carr has surgery immediately, spends xmas in a hospital, skips new years and valentines to rehab, and is highly dedicated to his physical therapy with no breaks he still wont get to play any more games during the year, but he may be able to pass a physical by 3/17/25, 12 weeks and 6 days later, in order to allow himself to potentially be cut and lose $30 million. However, if he gets a second opinion, has the procedure on 1/3/25 after holidays with family, and does a lot of physical therapy but takes a few days off for family, he can pass the physical in April before the draft and lock in $30 million guaranteed when he cant be cut on 3/17/25. What would anyone do? This is not a matter of character its a matter of putting family first and making smart decisions. And its part of why Carr and Wilson sat the last few games with their former teams.
Be careful, Bako. You are likely to throw your back out with all that reaching. LOL!!!
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Old 08-28-2024, 03:06 PM   #3
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Lets say Carr’s season is a mixed bag and expectations are the Saints may cut him or ask him to take a pay cut. Then supposed that in the 12/15/24 game he sustains an injury that is diagnosed on 12/17 as requiring a surgery with a a 12 week estimated recovery time. If Carr has surgery immediately, spends xmas in a hospital, skips new years and valentines to rehab, and is highly dedicated to his physical therapy with no breaks he still wont get to play any more games during the year, but he may be able to pass a physical by 3/17/25, 12 weeks and 6 days later, in order to allow himself to potentially be cut and lose $30 million. However, if he gets a second opinion, has the procedure on 1/3/25 after holidays with family, and does a lot of physical therapy but takes a few days off for family, he can pass the physical in April before the draft and lock in $30 million guaranteed when he cant be cut on 3/17/25. What would anyone do? This is not a matter of character its a matter of putting family first and making smart decisions. And its part of why Carr and Wilson sat the last few games with their former teams.
I can guarantee if at any point the Saints decide Carr will either need to do a pay reduction or get cut, he will be put on the bench and not heard from again in 2024.
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Old 08-28-2024, 03:10 PM   #4
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I can guarantee if at any point the Saints decide Carr will either need to do a pay reduction or get cut, he will be put on the bench and not heard from again in 2024.
If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak.
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Old 08-28-2024, 03:24 PM   #5
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If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak.
Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.
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Old 08-28-2024, 03:38 PM   #6
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Kubiak could be the exact reason it happens, he may feel the offense is better off with Haener or Rattler operating it, and with the way the schedule starts for the Saints a 1-5 or 0-6 start could expedite a change.
Oh, come on. Neither Rattler or Haener are anywhere near ready to play. Believe it or not Carr is not a bad QB and easily gives us our best chance to win. He protects the ball and throws for a high percentage. Winning is the only thing that will keep Allen and his entire staff around next season and that includes Kubiak. They are all aware that Carr is far and away our best short term solution.
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Old 08-28-2024, 05:05 PM   #7
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If that didn't happen under Carmichael's putrid playcalling I cannot envision any scenario under which it would happen this season with improved weapons and play design under Kubiak.
Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.
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Whats different this year are the contractual circumstances. In 2023 Carr’s 2024 salary was already fully guaranteed whether cut, injured, or active. In 2024 Carr’s 2025 salary is not guaranteed but it guarantees very early in the 2025 league year on 3/17/2025 so if the Saints decide to move on, they cant afford a late season injury that could prevent Carr from passing a physical on that date. In 2025 Carr’s 2026 salary is neither guaranteed in advance nor does it guarantee until week 1, so even if Carr was injured in 2025 he could still be cut as long as he can pass a physical in August/September which is way different than March. So the late 2024 season and early following offseason is a key year in the contract where the Saints can save money if they move on quick but not if any small injury causes delay. Essentially its much riskier to play Carr in late 2024 than late 2023 or late 2025.
Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.
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Coaches don't give a flying rat's ass about contracts.
You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...
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Old 08-28-2024, 05:42 PM   #10
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You are arguing just to be arguing. Of course this is what you do...
No. Are you? It appears that this is what you do too when I am concerned. You always call me out. It's quite apparent you don't like me. That's cool. But it's nothing beyond discussion and when any of us post on forums it is part of the platform.

Just chill, Matt. We're all on the same team. We are all passionate about our team.

When debating a subject Bako is a very competent opponent. He can hold his own and, I am sure, doesn't need help. He obviously relishes these discussions as much as myself. We both have different approaches but, believe me, it is all in fun. To a point, of course.
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