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Yup. And let's not forget Peyton Manning who threw two more picks (28) than TD's (26) as a rookie.

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Jalen Milroe - QB
Alabama

Overview
Milroe is an explosive athlete who is very capable outside the pocket, but he lacks accuracy, touch and decision-making when he’s inside the pocket. A lack of anticipation and timing leads to interceptions and contested throws to intermediate areas of the field.


Strengths
- Unflinching when he delivers throws in the face of imminent contact.
- Has NFL arm strength, delivering drive throws with velocity.
- Ball comes out in a split second if he needs it to.
- Accuracy improves when he minds his weight transfer.
- 2023 tape shows a more consistent deep-ball passer.

Weaknesses
- Threw five touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2024 SEC play.
- Hurried and lacking rhythm when working from the pocket.
- Processing and decision-making are troubling at times.

NFL comparison - Kordell Stewart & Taysom Hill :bng:

Late round 2, round 3 grades

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I’m hoping we pass on a qb unless dart falls to round 2

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Armand Membou - OT
Missou

At pick nine, the Saints take Armand Membou, who could be both a guard and a tackle at the NFL level. This is a sound selection for the Saints, and Membou could be an instant hit at the NFL. With how weak the NFC South is, I guess New Orleans could realistically compete for the division crown in the 2025 NFL Season. -Lou Scataglia

Strengths
- Impeccable body control and poise in his pass sets.
- Keeps weight inside on kick-slides with easy redirect versus counters.
- Protects with independent hands and a fluid mirror.
- Twitchy hands cinch up rushers who get too close.
- Athletic and agile to stay connected to rushers around the arc.
- Sifts through moving bodies with good clarity to find his man.

Round 1 grades

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This is a safe pick I would be okay with. I’d rather trade back a little but this is okay. No qb or wr is worth a top 10 pick. DT is very deep. This is a good pick

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Cleveland at 33
NYG at 34

Can easily see one of these trading up to beat the other to the punch for QB

My prediction is that the Giants jump first.

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You should always try and get a franchise QB when you don't have one. They definitely need to make podcasting equipment more expensive.

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I don't think we're going to draft Sanders at 9, but if we did I'm going to have a hard time with it.

I just now get back on here and something like this is happening.

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Dart will be the best QB in this draft, and if we need to trade back to make the pick look good according to get best mock draft value, then do that... otherwise I'm ok with just taking him straight up because he's better than taking Sanders which would be a colossal mistake.

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I watched a lot Dart at Ole Miss. I like him as a prospect. He's not better than Sanders though. Put Sanders in that Ole Miss offense with Lane Kiffin and he's throwing 40 TD's.

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I hope the Saints don’t reach for a QB but a team will based on need.

I see shades of Christian Ponder (also a reach) with Dart.

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Tyler Booker - G
Alabama

Overview
Two-year starter and team captain with elite physical traits. Booker is a downhill run blocker with average explosiveness into first contact, but he utilizes his size and power to overtake defenders in the second phase of the block. He can play too far out over his toes but that’s correctable.

Strengths
- Prototypical size and girth with elite length and massive hands.
-Upper-body power and hip torque to turn defenders out of the gap.
-Has a feel for positioning and angles to wall-off blocks in space.
-Patient and controlled working up to second-level targets.
-Protects with good posture and smooth tempo in his mirror.
-Plays with great poise and recognition when twists and blitzes kick off.

Weaknesses
-Approaches too many blocks with outside hands.
-Absorbs rushers instead of consistently punching them.
-Average foot speed to ride or redirect rushers on his edge.

Late Day 1, early round 2 grades

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Hi everyone. I've been pretty quiet lately as I've been busy closing on a house, with the old house going on the market today.

My office is right across from Titans HQ. I have no idea who will go #1 ... the geese outside the building know but they are not giving up the intel. I do know that Mickey has not visited the Titans in person for the #1 pick, as one of the bridges is closed and you cannot get to the Titans without going by my office to get there - and I have not seen any of Mickey's empty liquor bottles discarded on the road.

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The draft is almost here … :bng:

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If Jeanty and Sanders are both there at 9, who do you think they would pick?

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At that point I'm hoping someone offers them a deal to move down. But they probably take Sanders.

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Tyler Warren - TE
Penn State


Overview
The ultimate "whatever, whenever" player in the 2025 draft with the size, athleticism and competitive spirit to make good on his intentions. Warren plays with swagger and “best player on the field” energy.

Strengths
- Big, athletic, tough and competitive.
- Carries a ton of alpha energy on the field.
- Does whatever is necessary to help his team win.
- Handled short-yardage runs with direct snaps and Wildcat looks.
- Impressive early quickness and speed variance in his routes.
- Hips are smooth getting in and out of his break points.
- Doesn’t need much workspace to make the catch.

Weaknesses
- Too easily contacted and redirected within the pattern.
- Logged reps where he would coast or run nonchalant routes

Pro comparison - Jeremy Shockey

Round 1, Top 10 pick

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I'm beginning to think that taking a QB anywhere in this draft would be a big mistake. I heard today that more than one former draft "veteran" don't have any of this year's crop of QB's with a true first round grade. In fact, one reportedly said that Cam Ward, which he acknowledged as the best, would have been the 7th QB off the board in last year's draft. That would have put him one slot ahead of Rattler who was the 7th taken. So basically, Rattler may likely be rated as better than any QB not named Ward in this year's draft.

I say roll with what we have, and play out the season and look to address QB next year.

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Maybe just tap someone late like Dillon Gabriel or Will Howard to upgrade our depth and compete with Haener (which isn't asking for a lot)

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All the latest news about this draft has me thinking Loomis is about to **** this up. They're about draft Tyler Shough's ancient ass...

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Dear God I hope not. He's the next Chris Weinke

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If Loomis & co signs off on this kid in rd 1, he needs his head examined.

Shough’s injury history has red flags all over it.

He has been in school so long, he backed up Justin Herbert @ Oregon :eek:

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It has reached the point where I am just hoping they don't trade up. I don't see anyone in this draft worth mortgaging the future.

And that includes trading back into the first round.

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Best two choices, IMHO. And they both can be had in the later rounds.

They won't draft the geriatric QB.

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Josh Conerly - OT
Oregon

Overview
Two-year starter whose in-season improvement and performance against Penn State’s Abdul Carter make it easier to project his future. Conerly is proportionally built but lacks ideal play strength.

Strengths
- Showed vast improvement as the season progressed.
- Movements are composed and relatively athletic.
- Accelerates hard into down blocks.
- Works with strain at the point of attack and is rarely on the ground.

Weaknesses
Lacks pace to collect linebacker on work-up blocks.
Needs to improve his play strength and play bigger.

1st and 2nd round grades

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Gabriel is too small and he doesn't have the Brees anticipation, accuracy, timing, and IQ to make up for it. I'd say his ceiling is Russell Wilson, which I'd definitely take, but I don't see him reaching that. He's giving Desmond Ridder. The knock on Shedeur Sanders is that he threw a lot of passes short and behind the line of scrimmage. That's the Oregon offense in a nutshell. Bo Nix got picked in the top 15 because of that system. The difference between Gabriel and Sanders is Sanders is going to be accurate no matter the system. I think Gabriel's completion percentage is solely because of the system.

Will Howard had a dramatic jump in production in his 5th year. Like Gabriel, he entered a system that allows QB's to flourish. Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate, and Emeka Egbuka at WR. Egbuka is like a 1st-2nd round pick. Smith and Tate will be first rounders. Two running backs that will be drafted on day 2 in Quinshon Judkins and TreyVeon Henderson. Donovan Jackson at LT. I believe he's a one year wonder, but if he's there in the 4th or 5th round I wouldn't be mad at him replacing Haener on this roster.

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I'm not sure who will be there after rd 1. Giants might move up for Dart. If Saints want Dart they're gonna need to move into the 20s. Giants have a high enough pick in round 2 to move up around there.

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Hope they don't want Dart. He was crying like a school girl on the sidelines during a game this past year .

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Dart’s body of work at USC & Ole Miss didn’t have him ranked as a top 20 QB after his collegiate career was over. Now he’s a top pick :confused:?

Reaching for him in rd 1 would be like drafting Payton Turner all over again.

I hope they go trenches or WR with that pick @ 9.

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I'll be mad with Dart at 9, but I'll be pissed with Shough anytime.

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There is absolutely no reason to draft a QB at all right now. Just roll with Rat and see what you have. Draft some effing OL and DL/End/Secondary guys. Maybe another WR and/or TE.

There is no QB in this draft aside from Ward that is worth a move up. And I think the QBs next year are better than Ward. This QB draft is weak and selling draft picks to move up to get one is stupid.

If you can get one of them in the 2nd or 3rd round and you want to take a flyer I can understand. But in doing that, you might be passing on a solid pick that may be able to help immediately.

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I gotta disagree. I doubt Arch Manning comes out next year so scratch him off the list. Nico Iamaleava is raw talent without the numbers to back it up, plus there's going to be character questions with the move he tried to pull on Tennessee. Garret Nussmeier isn't better than Ward or Sanders and is more in line with a Jaxson Dart. It might a deeper draft class for QB's next year but the top of the class isn't really head and shoulders above this one.

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🤦🏽*♂️

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I don't think we can safely say anything at this point.

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