Looks like it could happen?

CheramieIII · 02-22-2006, 08:04 PM

Playbook was not cut...Verbage was cut. Just cause the man can't speak right or look at film is no reason to poke fun.

LMAO, it seems AB got poked by someone else and that's the reason he can't play anymore.

gandhi1007 · 02-22-2006, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

Playbook was not cut...Verbage was cut. Just cause the man can't speak right or look at film is no reason to poke fun.

Wrong again! Many ex-Saints players (heres a few: Willie Roaf, Kyle Turley, Jerry Fontenot, Jake Delhomme, & Terrelle Smith) have been quoted as saying that Aaron Brooks could not learn the entire playbook, therefore it had to be cut in half & simplified. Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified), & had no respect for the people on his offensive line blocking for them. Doesn't that make defenses jobs a little easier? Is this the kind of guy you want leading your offense? LOL

FanNJ · 02-22-2006, 08:47 PM

Dude.....I was injecting some humor.

However on the Turley thing consider the source. He was a great player and I loved his fire but an a$$ everywhere he went. To coaches and teamates.

BlackandBlue · 02-23-2006, 12:45 AM

Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-23-2006, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

There have been some QB's picked in the top of their perspective draft classes that did well in their first years. Do the names Montana, Elway, or Marino ring any bells?

Montana's 49ers went 2-14 and 6-10 the first two seasons he was there. He split time with Deburg and did not take over the team until the 1981 season, when they took off.

Elway was benched for 4 games halfway through his rookie season.

Marino did well. However remember that he dropped in the draft that year. The 1982 Dolphins went 7-2 in the strike shortened 82 season.

BTW Montana was drafted in the third round.

If I'm not mistaken, Marino took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl in his first season.

Second season. Big Ben mirrors in a lot of ways.

Though most take a season or two before becoming stars, I think Leinart will upgrade the QB position for us as a rookie simply by playing smarter than what Brooks has. Not to mention, this guy knows how to lead his receivers & can actually learn an entire playbook.

This isn't a Brooks discussion. The last #2 pick the Saints had was 35 years ago. They don't come along often. BTW I am aware of the Rogers #1 pick.

I know that Leinart will be an upgrade. But an upgrade isn't what you look for in a #2 pick. In that pick you look for a player that brings Pro Bowl caliber talent that stabilizes the position for the next 10 years.

Look at the top of 1999 draft as a perfect example. From http://www.hickoksports.com/history/nfldraft1999.shtml\

# Team Player Pos College

1 Cleveland Tim Couch QB Kentucky

2 Philadelphia Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse

3 Cincinnati Akili Smith QB Oregon

4 Indianapolis Edgerrin James RB Miami

5 New Orleans Ricky Williams RB Texas

6 St. Louis Torry Holt WR North Carolina State

Look at the QB in the #2 slot. I've very scared because of the #1 and #3 picks.

What is it about Leinart that makes him McNabb, Manning, or Palmer type QBs and not the Tim Couches or even Ryan Leaf's (yet another #2 pick) of the draft.

Once again, this is not about Brooks. Brooks won't take a pay cut because his ego believes that he is an elite QB in this league. So he'll take the chance of getting cut and shopping his services than to be humble, accept the pay cut and play for a change to be the starter here. He's not in the equation.

If we pick Leinart #2 does he have the talent to be an elite QB in this league?

SFIAH

mjf150 · 02-23-2006, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I'm not too sure there are any sure answers beyond the fact that rookie QBs at the very top of draft are are rarely successful early in their careers. I know quite well that's due to the team that the QB is drafted to.

You hit the nail on the head. It is difficult for a top pick to come to a losing team and turn them into winners immeadiately. But do you really believe that the Saints are as bad as their 3-13 record or do you think the previous 3 years of .500 ball is a better representation. I'm not making excuses for the team, but this was clearly far from an average year. Everything even, I personally believe that the team is an 8-8 club. And making a jump from average to very good is not out of the question.

gandhi1007 · 02-23-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B?

LOL

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore.

LivnaLieTimay · 02-23-2006, 01:54 PM

Hey FJ, you say you like the Jimmy Johnson model of stocking up on draft picks and drafting speed on defense. Let me ask you a question, who was Jimmy Johnson's first pick as coach of the cowboys? It was Troy Aikman with the first overall pick in the 1989 draft. So FJ, I agree with you, let's go by the Jimmy Johnson model, draft a qb with our first pick, then build up the defense after. Jimmy Johnson model all the way!!!

LivnaLieTimay · 02-23-2006, 02:01 PM

And that qb's name is MATT LEINART!!!

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 02:08 PM

Funny thing though LLT is that I'm sure the reports on Troy Aikman are not like Leinarts. I keep hearing that the man lacks arm strength....sounds more like a glorified Danny Wuerfful if you ask me. I'm sure JJ would not have picked a guy like Lienart. One more thing...before JJ showed up and picked Aikman? Who was the Dallas QB? I don't even remember.

02-22-2006, 08:14 PM	#82
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by FanNJ Playbook was not cut...Verbage was cut. Just cause the man can't speak right or look at film is no reason to poke fun. Wrong again! Many ex-Saints players (heres a few: Willie Roaf, Kyle Turley, Jerry Fontenot, Jake Delhomme, & Terrelle Smith) have been quoted as saying that Aaron Brooks could not learn the entire playbook, therefore it had to be cut in half & simplified. Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified), & had no respect for the people on his offensive line blocking for them. Doesn't that make defenses jobs a little easier? Is this the kind of guy you want leading your offense? LOL
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02-22-2006, 08:47 PM	#83
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Dude.....I was injecting some humor. However on the Turley thing consider the source. He was a great player and I loved his fire but an a$$ everywhere he went. To coaches and teamates.
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02-23-2006, 01:22 AM	#85
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 There have been some QB's picked in the top of their perspective draft classes that did well in their first years. Do the names Montana, Elway, or Marino ring any bells? Montana's 49ers went 2-14 and 6-10 the first two seasons he was there. He split time with Deburg and did not take over the team until the 1981 season, when they took off. Elway was benched for 4 games halfway through his rookie season. Marino did well. However remember that he dropped in the draft that year. The 1982 Dolphins went 7-2 in the strike shortened 82 season. BTW Montana was drafted in the third round. If I'm not mistaken, Marino took the Dolphins to the Super Bowl in his first season. Second season. Big Ben mirrors in a lot of ways. Though most take a season or two before becoming stars, I think Leinart will upgrade the QB position for us as a rookie simply by playing smarter than what Brooks has. Not to mention, this guy knows how to lead his receivers & can actually learn an entire playbook. This isn't a Brooks discussion. The last #2 pick the Saints had was 35 years ago. They don't come along often. BTW I am aware of the Rogers #1 pick. I know that Leinart will be an upgrade. But an upgrade isn't what you look for in a #2 pick. In that pick you look for a player that brings Pro Bowl caliber talent that stabilizes the position for the next 10 years. Look at the top of 1999 draft as a perfect example. From http://www.hickoksports.com/history/nfldraft1999.shtml\ # Team Player Pos College 1 Cleveland Tim Couch QB Kentucky 2 Philadelphia Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse 3 Cincinnati Akili Smith QB Oregon 4 Indianapolis Edgerrin James RB Miami 5 New Orleans Ricky Williams RB Texas 6 St. Louis Torry Holt WR North Carolina State Look at the QB in the #2 slot. I've very scared because of the #1 and #3 picks. What is it about Leinart that makes him McNabb, Manning, or Palmer type QBs and not the Tim Couches or even Ryan Leaf's (yet another #2 pick) of the draft. Once again, this is not about Brooks. Brooks won't take a pay cut because his ego believes that he is an elite QB in this league. So he'll take the chance of getting cut and shopping his services than to be humble, accept the pay cut and play for a change to be the starter here. He's not in the equation. If we pick Leinart #2 does he have the talent to be an elite QB in this league? SFIAH
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02-23-2006, 08:25 AM	#86
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I'm not too sure there are any sure answers beyond the fact that rookie QBs at the very top of draft are are rarely successful early in their careers. I know quite well that's due to the team that the QB is drafted to. You hit the nail on the head. It is difficult for a top pick to come to a losing team and turn them into winners immeadiately. But do you really believe that the Saints are as bad as their 3-13 record or do you think the previous 3 years of .500 ball is a better representation. I'm not making excuses for the team, but this was clearly far from an average year. Everything even, I personally believe that the team is an 8-8 club. And making a jump from average to very good is not out of the question.
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02-23-2006, 10:00 AM	#87
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified) LOL Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of **** Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore.
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02-22-2006, 08:04 PM	#81
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Playbook was not cut...Verbage was cut. Just cause the man can't speak right or look at film is no reason to poke fun. LMAO, it seems AB got poked by someone else and that's the reason he can't play anymore.

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02-23-2006, 12:45 AM	#84
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified) LOL Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

02-23-2006, 01:54 PM	#88
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	Hey FJ, you say you like the Jimmy Johnson model of stocking up on draft picks and drafting speed on defense. Let me ask you a question, who was Jimmy Johnson's first pick as coach of the cowboys? It was Troy Aikman with the first overall pick in the 1989 draft. So FJ, I agree with you, let's go by the Jimmy Johnson model, draft a qb with our first pick, then build up the defense after. Jimmy Johnson model all the way!!!

02-23-2006, 02:01 PM	#89
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	And that qb's name is MATT LEINART!!!

02-23-2006, 02:08 PM	#90
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Funny thing though LLT is that I'm sure the reports on Troy Aikman are not like Leinarts. I keep hearing that the man lacks arm strength....sounds more like a glorified Danny Wuerfful if you ask me. I'm sure JJ would not have picked a guy like Lienart. One more thing...before JJ showed up and picked Aikman? Who was the Dallas QB? I don't even remember.
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