Reggie Bush

DeadmaN · 10-09-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

But you have nothing to prove this statement on???

At USC he wasn't a featured back then... how can you even make a statement like this. Makes no sense.

I have lots to prove that statement on
hell I posted 3 videos that have a bunch of highlights that show clearly that when this guy gets blocks he puts up numbers plan and simple

I think your only seeing what you want too on this subject

papz · 10-09-2007, 10:50 AM

Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams are both doomed for failure by his logic. McFadden and Jones out of Arkansas might as well not enter the draft either. Willie Parker must be a fluke as well.

The vast majority of collegiate programs run 2 or 3 back systems. They're all doomed. The future of NFL running backs are screwed.

He was NOT nor WAS he EVER the go to guy at USC.

You truly are clueless.

DblBogey · 10-09-2007, 11:16 AM

WhoDat said: "This will probably sound stupid, but I think Reggie accelerates too quickly to the hole. If you watch other runners they save that burst for when they get to the hole to blow past the LBs and DL. Reggie hits it at full speed and nothings had time to develop." The word is patience . . . He is too quick for his own good. Trying to make things happen instead of letting the play develop. But I think with a little time as the featured back he will acquire this wisdom.

andersen · 10-09-2007, 11:27 AM

Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

DeadmaN · 10-09-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by andersen

Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

like I said the guy is not getting blocks like he did last season
you can have the top back in the league but if he has to go up against tackler after tackler because of missed blocks you will see him fail every time

and lets not forget Reggie won the Heisman

last I checked they don't give that award to just anyone

xan · 10-09-2007, 11:51 AM

I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt.

The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back.

For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks.

Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt.

The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back.

For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks.

Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.

Jamal Branch is an interesting idea. I wonder why they haven't called him?

Donuts32 · 10-09-2007, 01:13 PM

He does run to quick to see the hole sometimes. But when he does have patience the o-line does not make a hole for him to run through. Why is Sean Payton always bringing Karney in the game when they want Reggie to run east to west. Everyone should stop blaming Reggie. Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by DeadmaN

I have lots to prove that statement on
hell I posted 3 videos that have a bunch of highlights that show clearly that when this guy gets blocks he puts up numbers plan and simple

I think your only seeing what you want too on this subject

No you're not... highlights aren't going to prove your statement either. You need to look at the game and the way he was used in the systems to see how he got the highlights.

Reggie Bush was not a feature everydown back at USC. Do you know where I live??? I live in Los Angeles just a few blocks away from USC. I drive though USC everyday on my way home from work. I watched and know a lot about USC while Reggie was here. He was NOT a feature back. He was a punt/kick returner and someone they used to counter and change up at RB while they had White as a RB who I will add wasn't the feature back but the pounding bruising back, more closer to the feature back than Bush was.

You can not use Reggie as a feature back he is a returner/reciever/back but not a feature running back. If you ever here anaylist say "you give him the ball in space" its because he can't be a feature back, he is someone you can allow to run the ball with hardly any blockers and let him take on a defender one on one, he is harder to bring down that way. He isn't the feature RB you can have pound the ball up the middle on any given play. Especially if you have a horrible offensive line.

Donuts32 · 10-09-2007, 01:38 PM

Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers.

10-09-2007, 10:25 AM	#21
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria But you have nothing to prove this statement on??? At USC he wasn't a featured back then... how can you even make a statement like this. Makes no sense. I have lots to prove that statement on hell I posted 3 videos that have a bunch of highlights that show clearly that when this guy gets blocks he puts up numbers plan and simple I think your only seeing what you want too on this subject

10-09-2007, 10:50 AM	#22
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Reggie Bush Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams are both doomed for failure by his logic. McFadden and Jones out of Arkansas might as well not enter the draft either. Willie Parker must be a fluke as well. The vast majority of collegiate programs run 2 or 3 back systems. They're all doomed. The future of NFL running backs are screwed. He was NOT nor WAS he EVER the go to guy at USC. You truly are clueless.

10-09-2007, 11:16 AM	#23
DblBogey 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 538	Re: Reggie Bush WhoDat said: "This will probably sound stupid, but I think Reggie accelerates too quickly to the hole. If you watch other runners they save that burst for when they get to the hole to blow past the LBs and DL. Reggie hits it at full speed and nothings had time to develop." The word is patience . . . He is too quick for his own good. Trying to make things happen instead of letting the play develop. But I think with a little time as the featured back he will acquire this wisdom.
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10-09-2007, 11:27 AM	#24
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Reggie Bush Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

10-09-2007, 11:30 AM	#25
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by andersen Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive. like I said the guy is not getting blocks like he did last season you can have the top back in the league but if he has to go up against tackler after tackler because of missed blocks you will see him fail every time and lets not forget Reggie won the Heisman last I checked they don't give that award to just anyone
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10-09-2007, 11:51 AM	#26
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Reggie Bush I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt. The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back. For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks. Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.
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10-09-2007, 12:22 PM	#27
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by xan I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt. The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back. For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks. Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact. Jamal Branch is an interesting idea. I wonder why they haven't called him?

10-09-2007, 01:13 PM	#28
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Reggie Bush He does run to quick to see the hole sometimes. But when he does have patience the o-line does not make a hole for him to run through. Why is Sean Payton always bringing Karney in the game when they want Reggie to run east to west. Everyone should stop blaming Reggie. Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question.

10-09-2007, 01:34 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by DeadmaN I have lots to prove that statement on hell I posted 3 videos that have a bunch of highlights that show clearly that when this guy gets blocks he puts up numbers plan and simple I think your only seeing what you want too on this subject No you're not... highlights aren't going to prove your statement either. You need to look at the game and the way he was used in the systems to see how he got the highlights. Reggie Bush was not a feature everydown back at USC. Do you know where I live??? I live in Los Angeles just a few blocks away from USC. I drive though USC everyday on my way home from work. I watched and know a lot about USC while Reggie was here. He was NOT a feature back. He was a punt/kick returner and someone they used to counter and change up at RB while they had White as a RB who I will add wasn't the feature back but the pounding bruising back, more closer to the feature back than Bush was. You can not use Reggie as a feature back he is a returner/reciever/back but not a feature running back. If you ever here anaylist say "you give him the ball in space" its because he can't be a feature back, he is someone you can allow to run the ball with hardly any blockers and let him take on a defender one on one, he is harder to bring down that way. He isn't the feature RB you can have pound the ball up the middle on any given play. Especially if you have a horrible offensive line.
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10-09-2007, 01:38 PM	#30
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Reggie Bush Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers.