Reggie Bush

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

I never said you called bush a bust. I said I was not ready to call him a bust. However, you did say:

Reggie had more carries and more yards than anyone on the team and we haven't even mentioned him as a reciever. How was he not the go-to guy? Are you saying that he was an afterthought in the opposition's game plan? Seriously, you could ask any D-Coordinator that played against SC that year and I would bet that at the top of the game plan was "stop Reggie Bush".

3 more carries??? the yards ok I'll give you that. But 3 more carries than Lendale come on -tit for tat. Besides you're missing the point here... He shared RB duties with Lendale and go by the number of oppitunites (carries) given to Bush vice LenDale... ahhh Euphoria you make sense now-if Bush was the feature back it would be more like 385 for Bush and 12 for Lendale.
You also forget that team all so had some top notch WR and a QB. You might wanna go back and when the game was on the line it was more that particualr QB in AZ who lead the team back and won more games on his back than did Bush. When the game is on the line and you need one drive or one play to win the game, it wasn't Bush.

andersen · 10-09-2007, 07:42 PM

Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by andersen

Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

woo woo woo... So someone saying Reggie isn't a replacement for a feature back such as Deuce???

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 07:53 PM

There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role.

You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role.

You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

His age doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injuries. That scares the hell out of me. We need him or someone of his style, if for no other reason than to compliment Reggie's style. If you put both in the game at the same time they would be scary. It's is hard, however to line up with 3 in the backfield, because I still think Karney needs to be back there blocking for both of them. This team runs the ball much better with Karney blocking.

And by the way I do agre with you that we need help on both lines. I just think there are ways to do it and i'm not sure that the draft is the only way to do it. I feel like trades and free agents are a definite need also. Draftees, I think you have to wait to long for them to pan out. Then it's hit or miss most of the time. After all look at the offensive linemen we'vdrafted in the last few years. Even OUr pro-bowler Brown doesn't know where to line up.

Those are my thoughts on that.

LongTimeFan · 10-09-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

This will probably sound stupid, but I think Reggie accelerates too quickly to the hole. If you watch other runners they save that burst for when they get to the hole to blow past the LBs and DL. Reggie hits it at full speed and nothings had time to develop.

You and I are fishin in the same pond, I also feel that his burst of speed comes to early, he needs to wait for the holes to open and get through the hole and then run his butt off, if I were him I would put my hand on my blockers back and follow him until the time was right to cut away.
He'll learn in time..

LongTimeFan · 10-09-2007, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

He isn't a feature back nor should ever be. When he gets in the hole he doesn't keep driving forward when its gets bunched up he tries to dance and take off to the side and runs in to his own blockers... I know own blockers sounds funny since there aren't really any. There were a couple of plays that caused him to do down after tunning into the big guys that were just standing around wearing the same uniform.

He may not be the feature back right now but he's the best we have so he'll have to take on that role until he does become the feature back because one day soon he'll be one hell of a back, he's a type of back that can carry the load once he gains more experience, he's only played one game in the NFL as the "feature back"

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 08:36 PM

You know, the hand on the back thing sounds good. Seems to me like there was somebody several years ago that used to do that. It worked for them to the best of my memory. Of course that was many beers and a lot more grey matter ago.

LongTimeFan · 10-09-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

You know, the hand on the back thing sounds good. Seems to me like there was somebody several years ago that used to do that. It worked for them to the best of my memory. Of course that was many beers and a lot more grey matter ago.

The hand on the back thing takes patience, something he's lacking right now but that will come in due time.

10-09-2007, 07:22 PM	#41
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by WhoDat205 I never said you called bush a bust. I said I was not ready to call him a bust. However, you did say: Reggie had more carries and more yards than anyone on the team and we haven't even mentioned him as a reciever. How was he not the go-to guy? Are you saying that he was an afterthought in the opposition's game plan? Seriously, you could ask any D-Coordinator that played against SC that year and I would bet that at the top of the game plan was "stop Reggie Bush". 3 more carries??? the yards ok I'll give you that. But 3 more carries than Lendale come on -tit for tat. Besides you're missing the point here... He shared RB duties with Lendale and go by the number of oppitunites (carries) given to Bush vice LenDale... ahhh Euphoria you make sense now-if Bush was the feature back it would be more like 385 for Bush and 12 for Lendale. You also forget that team all so had some top notch WR and a QB. You might wanna go back and when the game was on the line it was more that particualr QB in AZ who lead the team back and won more games on his back than did Bush. When the game is on the line and you need one drive or one play to win the game, it wasn't Bush.

10-09-2007, 07:42 PM	#42
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Reggie Bush Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

10-09-2007, 07:48 PM	#43
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by andersen Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here. woo woo woo... So someone saying Reggie isn't a replacement for a feature back such as Deuce???

10-09-2007, 07:53 PM	#44
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

10-09-2007, 08:07 PM	#45
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time. I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role. You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

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10-09-2007, 08:16 PM	#46
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role. You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce. His age doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injuries. That scares the hell out of me. We need him or someone of his style, if for no other reason than to compliment Reggie's style. If you put both in the game at the same time they would be scary. It's is hard, however to line up with 3 in the backfield, because I still think Karney needs to be back there blocking for both of them. This team runs the ball much better with Karney blocking. And by the way I do agre with you that we need help on both lines. I just think there are ways to do it and i'm not sure that the draft is the only way to do it. I feel like trades and free agents are a definite need also. Draftees, I think you have to wait to long for them to pan out. Then it's hit or miss most of the time. After all look at the offensive linemen we'vdrafted in the last few years. Even OUr pro-bowler Brown doesn't know where to line up. Those are my thoughts on that.
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10-09-2007, 08:30 PM	#47
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by WhoDat205 This will probably sound stupid, but I think Reggie accelerates too quickly to the hole. If you watch other runners they save that burst for when they get to the hole to blow past the LBs and DL. Reggie hits it at full speed and nothings had time to develop. You and I are fishin in the same pond, I also feel that his burst of speed comes to early, he needs to wait for the holes to open and get through the hole and then run his butt off, if I were him I would put my hand on my blockers back and follow him until the time was right to cut away. He'll learn in time..

10-09-2007, 08:34 PM	#48
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria He isn't a feature back nor should ever be. When he gets in the hole he doesn't keep driving forward when its gets bunched up he tries to dance and take off to the side and runs in to his own blockers... I know own blockers sounds funny since there aren't really any. There were a couple of plays that caused him to do down after tunning into the big guys that were just standing around wearing the same uniform. He may not be the feature back right now but he's the best we have so he'll have to take on that role until he does become the feature back because one day soon he'll be one hell of a back, he's a type of back that can carry the load once he gains more experience, he's only played one game in the NFL as the "feature back"

10-09-2007, 08:36 PM	#49
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush You know, the hand on the back thing sounds good. Seems to me like there was somebody several years ago that used to do that. It worked for them to the best of my memory. Of course that was many beers and a lot more grey matter ago.

10-09-2007, 08:44 PM	#50
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 You know, the hand on the back thing sounds good. Seems to me like there was somebody several years ago that used to do that. It worked for them to the best of my memory. Of course that was many beers and a lot more grey matter ago. The hand on the back thing takes patience, something he's lacking right now but that will come in due time.