Reggie Bush

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

To say Reggie Bush can never be a feature running back because he never has been one just isn't true. There might be another reason (I can't think of one right now but) That's not a very good one. It's like saying I can never be a sumo wrestler because I never have been one. If I have the talent and brain to do it and the time to learn it, even I could do it. You give Reggie enough time and I think (IMHO) he can make it. There are many others that have pulled it off. So give me another reason. To me, that one is very weak.

The statement is true he hasn't been one. Nor is there any proof to show he can be one... there is however evidence that he will never be one.

If you want to consider the reason weak that is fine but its a reason none the less. There is no reasoning for saying he is and will be when he in fact has never been a feature back.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Reggie Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bush had an excellent 2005 season, as he was a unanimous All-American first-team pick and the winner of the Heisman Memorial Trophy. He was named the Associated Press 2005 Player of the Year, Pigskin Club of Washington D.C. Offensive Player of the Year, Touchdown Club of Columbus Player of the Year and was the recipient of the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award and Doak Walker Award (nation's best running back). He led the nation with an average of 222.3 all-purpose yards per game. and finished fourth in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks with an average of 133.85 yards per game rushing. "

Pretty impressive for a non-feature back.

2005 Rushing Stats:

Lendale - 197 Carries for 1,302
Reggie - 200 for 1,740

First off, your argument that Reggie can't be a feature back because he has never been one makes almost as little sense as your claim that your proximity to USC makes you an authority on the matter. Give us some points that actually back up your claim like "he's too small" or "he dances around too much", or better yet, give some thoughts about how he could develop into a feature back.

I think Reggie can definitely be a feature back. I do think he needs a power back to complement him, but that in no way means he can't take the bulk of the carries (see Westbrook/Buckhalter). I also think he has some bad tendencies that he needs to address/is addressing. He needs to find the balance between being patient and hitting the hole. Having better blocking and a more effective passing game would go a long way to help Reggie realize his potential as well. I am not ready label a kid who has scored 11 TDs in 1 1/4 seasons a bust.

First of all don't make the mistake that I have called Reggie Bush a bust. I have never said that!

Second of all thanks for posting off of the numbers which only proves my point that he wasn't the feature back at USC. It poves there numbers were close and shared.

Thanks again for proving my point.

WhoDat205 · 10-09-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

First of all don't make the mistake that I have called Reggie Bush a bust. I have never said that!

Second of all thanks for posting off of the numbers which only proves my point that he wasn't the feature back at USC. It poves there numbers were close and shared.

Thanks again for proving my point.

I never said you called bush a bust. I said I was not ready to call him a bust. However, you did say:

Originally Posted by Euphoria

He was just the sports car on a very good, very talented team that let him out of the garage to return kicks and do some jukes moves and razle dazle the crowd. He was NOT nor WAS he EVER the go to guy at USC.

Reggie had more carries and more yards than anyone on the team and we haven't even mentioned him as a reciever. How was he not the go-to guy? Are you saying that he was an afterthought in the opposition's game plan? Seriously, you could ask any D-Coordinator that played against SC that year and I would bet that at the top of the game plan was "stop Reggie Bush".

blacksaint · 10-10-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day.

Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post.

Euph, before you type, think. You ask me can I read? Yes I can, can you articulate yourself a little better. Take for instance the statement (That's like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB.), what the hell are you talking about? You're saying asking Reggie Bush a RB to tote the load is the same as asking Drew Brees a QB to be the featured back. Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Weather he can or he can't doesn't really matters, it would benefit the Saints more if he plays from multiple positions on the field. Playing Reggie in the slot, out wide and from the "featured back" position puts the defense at an even greater disadvantage which frees up other players to make plays. Where ever Bush is lined up on the field you have to pay attention to him. Euph what is your proof that he can't be a featured back? Just because you say it doesn't make it true. And just because he didn't do it in college doesn't mean he can't do it now. So stop hating on Reggie so much, he is what he is, one hell of a talent and a difference maker, and once this offense get on track as a whole you can shutup with all that nonsense you be talking about.

WillMacKenzie · 10-09-2007, 05:41 PM

I think Reggie has the potential to be very, very, very dangerous - when he learns to run straight up through a seam like Westbrook. Westbrook had to learn as well, so it's not like Reggie's vision is all it's ever going to be. He just needs some more experience with the NFL, how to spot good seams, and to run to them with his 4.3 speed. He'll be fine, just have some patience.

andersen · 10-09-2007, 06:42 PM

Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by andersen

Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

woo woo woo... So someone saying Reggie isn't a replacement for a feature back such as Deuce???

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 06:53 PM

There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role.

You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role.

You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

His age doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injuries. That scares the hell out of me. We need him or someone of his style, if for no other reason than to compliment Reggie's style. If you put both in the game at the same time they would be scary. It's is hard, however to line up with 3 in the backfield, because I still think Karney needs to be back there blocking for both of them. This team runs the ball much better with Karney blocking.

And by the way I do agre with you that we need help on both lines. I just think there are ways to do it and i'm not sure that the draft is the only way to do it. I feel like trades and free agents are a definite need also. Draftees, I think you have to wait to long for them to pan out. Then it's hit or miss most of the time. After all look at the offensive linemen we'vdrafted in the last few years. Even OUr pro-bowler Brown doesn't know where to line up.

Those are my thoughts on that.

10-09-2007, 03:06 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 To say Reggie Bush can never be a feature running back because he never has been one just isn't true. There might be another reason (I can't think of one right now but) That's not a very good one. It's like saying I can never be a sumo wrestler because I never have been one. If I have the talent and brain to do it and the time to learn it, even I could do it. You give Reggie enough time and I think (IMHO) he can make it. There are many others that have pulled it off. So give me another reason. To me, that one is very weak. The statement is true he hasn't been one. Nor is there any proof to show he can be one... there is however evidence that he will never be one. If you want to consider the reason weak that is fine but its a reason none the less. There is no reasoning for saying he is and will be when he in fact has never been a feature back.

10-09-2007, 02:56 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Reggie Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Bush had an excellent 2005 season, as he was a unanimous All-American first-team pick and the winner of the Heisman Memorial Trophy. He was named the Associated Press 2005 Player of the Year, Pigskin Club of Washington D.C. Offensive Player of the Year, Touchdown Club of Columbus Player of the Year and was the recipient of the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award and Doak Walker Award (nation's best running back). He led the nation with an average of 222.3 all-purpose yards per game. and finished fourth in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks with an average of 133.85 yards per game rushing. " Pretty impressive for a non-feature back. 2005 Rushing Stats: Lendale - 197 Carries for 1,302 Reggie - 200 for 1,740 First off, your argument that Reggie can't be a feature back because he has never been one makes almost as little sense as your claim that your proximity to USC makes you an authority on the matter. Give us some points that actually back up your claim like "he's too small" or "he dances around too much", or better yet, give some thoughts about how he could develop into a feature back. I think Reggie can definitely be a feature back. I do think he needs a power back to complement him, but that in no way means he can't take the bulk of the carries (see Westbrook/Buckhalter). I also think he has some bad tendencies that he needs to address/is addressing. He needs to find the balance between being patient and hitting the hole. Having better blocking and a more effective passing game would go a long way to help Reggie realize his potential as well. I am not ready label a kid who has scored 11 TDs in 1 1/4 seasons a bust. First of all don't make the mistake that I have called Reggie Bush a bust. I have never said that! Second of all thanks for posting off of the numbers which only proves my point that he wasn't the feature back at USC. It poves there numbers were close and shared. Thanks again for proving my point.

10-09-2007, 06:04 PM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria First of all don't make the mistake that I have called Reggie Bush a bust. I have never said that! Second of all thanks for posting off of the numbers which only proves my point that he wasn't the feature back at USC. It poves there numbers were close and shared. Thanks again for proving my point. I never said you called bush a bust. I said I was not ready to call him a bust. However, you did say: Originally Posted by Euphoria He was just the sports car on a very good, very talented team that let him out of the garage to return kicks and do some jukes moves and razle dazle the crowd. He was NOT nor WAS he EVER the go to guy at USC. Reggie had more carries and more yards than anyone on the team and we haven't even mentioned him as a reciever. How was he not the go-to guy? Are you saying that he was an afterthought in the opposition's game plan? Seriously, you could ask any D-Coordinator that played against SC that year and I would bet that at the top of the game plan was "stop Reggie Bush".

10-10-2007, 05:59 PM	#4
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day. Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post. Euph, before you type, think. You ask me can I read? Yes I can, can you articulate yourself a little better. Take for instance the statement (That's like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB.), what the hell are you talking about? You're saying asking Reggie Bush a RB to tote the load is the same as asking Drew Brees a QB to be the featured back. Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Weather he can or he can't doesn't really matters, it would benefit the Saints more if he plays from multiple positions on the field. Playing Reggie in the slot, out wide and from the "featured back" position puts the defense at an even greater disadvantage which frees up other players to make plays. Where ever Bush is lined up on the field you have to pay attention to him. Euph what is your proof that he can't be a featured back? Just because you say it doesn't make it true. And just because he didn't do it in college doesn't mean he can't do it now. So stop hating on Reggie so much, he is what he is, one hell of a talent and a difference maker, and once this offense get on track as a whole you can shutup with all that nonsense you be talking about.
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10-09-2007, 05:41 PM	#5
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Reggie Bush I think Reggie has the potential to be very, very, very dangerous - when he learns to run straight up through a seam like Westbrook. Westbrook had to learn as well, so it's not like Reggie's vision is all it's ever going to be. He just needs some more experience with the NFL, how to spot good seams, and to run to them with his 4.3 speed. He'll be fine, just have some patience.

10-09-2007, 06:42 PM	#6
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Reggie Bush Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here.

10-09-2007, 06:48 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by andersen Let's leave his college deal out of it. Can he replace Deuce? No. Will Payton find a way to get him in space where he is effective? Probably yes. Do we need a new running back? Yes. Can Pierre Thomas help us? Give him a chance and see. Is Stecker the answer? He can block and make a few plays, but not the long term deal. In the end, Reggie will be happier in New York than here. woo woo woo... So someone saying Reggie isn't a replacement for a feature back such as Deuce???

10-09-2007, 06:53 PM	#8
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time.

10-09-2007, 07:07 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 There's not many that can replace Deuce if you ask me. But no one is asking him to replace Deuce. They're asking him to be the featured back. Big difference. There's no way you can compare Reggie and Deuce, they're totally different style of runners. So let's compare apples to apples. I can see Reggie being very successful in our offense. Give him some time. I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role. You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce.

10-09-2007, 07:16 PM	#10
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria I will not argue that Reggie can be successful in New Orleans behing an NFL offensive line or in some capacity other than the featured running back role. You are correct apples and oranges Deuce/Reggie. Deuce has been more suited to be a featured back but age and all creeping up fast on the Deuce. His age doesn't bother me nearly as much as his injuries. That scares the hell out of me. We need him or someone of his style, if for no other reason than to compliment Reggie's style. If you put both in the game at the same time they would be scary. It's is hard, however to line up with 3 in the backfield, because I still think Karney needs to be back there blocking for both of them. This team runs the ball much better with Karney blocking. And by the way I do agre with you that we need help on both lines. I just think there are ways to do it and i'm not sure that the draft is the only way to do it. I feel like trades and free agents are a definite need also. Draftees, I think you have to wait to long for them to pan out. Then it's hit or miss most of the time. After all look at the offensive linemen we'vdrafted in the last few years. Even OUr pro-bowler Brown doesn't know where to line up. Those are my thoughts on that.
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