Reggie Bush

DeadmaN · 10-09-2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by andersen

Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

like I said the guy is not getting blocks like he did last season
you can have the top back in the league but if he has to go up against tackler after tackler because of missed blocks you will see him fail every time

and lets not forget Reggie won the Heisman

last I checked they don't give that award to just anyone

andersen · 10-09-2007, 10:27 AM

Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

xan · 10-09-2007, 10:51 AM

I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt.

The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back.

For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks.

Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt.

The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back.

For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks.

Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.

Jamal Branch is an interesting idea. I wonder why they haven't called him?

Donuts32 · 10-09-2007, 12:13 PM

He does run to quick to see the hole sometimes. But when he does have patience the o-line does not make a hole for him to run through. Why is Sean Payton always bringing Karney in the game when they want Reggie to run east to west. Everyone should stop blaming Reggie. Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question.

SapperSaint · 10-09-2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Donuts32

Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question.

Devery, Colston, Reggie, Copper, Moore, and Johnson...just to name a few.

Donuts32 · 10-09-2007, 12:38 PM

Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Donuts32

Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers.

NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day.

Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post.

WhoDat205 · 10-09-2007, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day.

Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post.

Reggie Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Bush had an excellent 2005 season, as he was a unanimous All-American first-team pick and the winner of the Heisman Memorial Trophy. He was named the Associated Press 2005 Player of the Year, Pigskin Club of Washington D.C. Offensive Player of the Year, Touchdown Club of Columbus Player of the Year and was the recipient of the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award and Doak Walker Award (nation's best running back). He led the nation with an average of 222.3 all-purpose yards per game. and finished fourth in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks with an average of 133.85 yards per game rushing. "

Pretty impressive for a non-feature back.

2005 Rushing Stats:

Lendale - 197 Carries for 1,302
Reggie - 200 for 1,740

First off, your argument that Reggie can't be a feature back because he has never been one makes almost as little sense as your claim that your proximity to USC makes you an authority on the matter. Give us some points that actually back up your claim like "he's too small" or "he dances around too much", or better yet, give some thoughts about how he could develop into a feature back.

I think Reggie can definitely be a feature back. I do think he needs a power back to complement him, but that in no way means he can't take the bulk of the carries (see Westbrook/Buckhalter). I also think he has some bad tendencies that he needs to address/is addressing. He needs to find the balance between being patient and hitting the hole. Having better blocking and a more effective passing game would go a long way to help Reggie realize his potential as well. I am not ready label a kid who has scored 11 TDs in 1 1/4 seasons a bust.

JOESAM2002 · 10-09-2007, 02:23 PM

To say Reggie Bush can never be a feature running back because he never has been one just isn't true. There might be another reason (I can't think of one right now but) That's not a very good one. It's like saying I can never be a sumo wrestler because I never have been one. If I have the talent and brain to do it and the time to learn it, even I could do it. You give Reggie enough time and I think (IMHO) he can make it. There are many others that have pulled it off. So give me another reason. To me, that one is very weak.

10-09-2007, 10:30 AM	#1
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by andersen Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive. like I said the guy is not getting blocks like he did last season you can have the top back in the league but if he has to go up against tackler after tackler because of missed blocks you will see him fail every time and lets not forget Reggie won the Heisman last I checked they don't give that award to just anyone
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10-09-2007, 10:27 AM	#2
andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: Reggie Bush Thirty touches, longest 13 yards. Not very impressive.

10-09-2007, 10:51 AM	#3
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Reggie Bush I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt. The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back. For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks. Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact.
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10-09-2007, 11:22 AM	#4
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by xan I'm not bashing Mr. Bush. I just want to point out that a featured back doesn't avoid contact by sliding toward the sideline when an additional 2 yards could mean the difference between a 1st down and a punt. The NFL Today had an interesting analysis of the impact of speed. In a 40 yard dash 4.3guy will have 1.8 feet advantage over a 4.5 guy. In the passing game, that's huge. In close contact, it doesn't mean much, especially if the defender has the angle. Trying to slide laterall to the outside to avoid the hit has only two possibilities from the runner's perspective. (A) he doesn't like contact or (B) he doesn't understand how to be a running back. For Reggie, I'm gonna say both. Watch the films, he just avoids contact like the plague. And, he doesn't know how to time his blocks. Get Jamaal Branch back. Let him carry the load. He's currently unemployed and he knows the system and he's durable and certainly not afraid of contact. Jamal Branch is an interesting idea. I wonder why they haven't called him?

10-09-2007, 12:13 PM	#5
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Reggie Bush He does run to quick to see the hole sometimes. But when he does have patience the o-line does not make a hole for him to run through. Why is Sean Payton always bringing Karney in the game when they want Reggie to run east to west. Everyone should stop blaming Reggie. Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question.

10-09-2007, 12:40 PM	#6
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Donuts32 Who dropped the ball 2-3 time costing us the game. Can anyone answer that question. Devery, Colston, Reggie, Copper, Moore, and Johnson...just to name a few.

10-09-2007, 12:38 PM	#7
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Reggie Bush Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers.

10-09-2007, 12:54 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Donuts32 Euphoria what in the blue hell are u talking about. He can be a feature back if they open holes for him. He had a 100yd game against the Giants. LenDale white is just a fat ass guy who has good blockers. NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day. Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post.

10-09-2007, 01:50 PM	#9
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by Euphoria NO he can't... why... because he never was. Thats like asking Brees ok you play our feature RB. He wasn't the feature back against the Giants that day. Whats your point about LenDale??? go back and read my previous post. Reggie Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Bush had an excellent 2005 season, as he was a unanimous All-American first-team pick and the winner of the Heisman Memorial Trophy. He was named the Associated Press 2005 Player of the Year, Pigskin Club of Washington D.C. Offensive Player of the Year, Touchdown Club of Columbus Player of the Year and was the recipient of the Walter Camp Player of the Year Award and Doak Walker Award (nation's best running back). He led the nation with an average of 222.3 all-purpose yards per game. and finished fourth in the NCAA Division 1-A ranks with an average of 133.85 yards per game rushing. " Pretty impressive for a non-feature back. 2005 Rushing Stats: Lendale - 197 Carries for 1,302 Reggie - 200 for 1,740 First off, your argument that Reggie can't be a feature back because he has never been one makes almost as little sense as your claim that your proximity to USC makes you an authority on the matter. Give us some points that actually back up your claim like "he's too small" or "he dances around too much", or better yet, give some thoughts about how he could develop into a feature back. I think Reggie can definitely be a feature back. I do think he needs a power back to complement him, but that in no way means he can't take the bulk of the carries (see Westbrook/Buckhalter). I also think he has some bad tendencies that he needs to address/is addressing. He needs to find the balance between being patient and hitting the hole. Having better blocking and a more effective passing game would go a long way to help Reggie realize his potential as well. I am not ready label a kid who has scored 11 TDs in 1 1/4 seasons a bust.
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10-09-2007, 02:23 PM	#10
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush To say Reggie Bush can never be a feature running back because he never has been one just isn't true. There might be another reason (I can't think of one right now but) That's not a very good one. It's like saying I can never be a sumo wrestler because I never have been one. If I have the talent and brain to do it and the time to learn it, even I could do it. You give Reggie enough time and I think (IMHO) he can make it. There are many others that have pulled it off. So give me another reason. To me, that one is very weak.
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