Reggie Bush

darstep · 10-10-2007, 10:08 AM

I agree WhoDat. Reggie needs to be lead by Karney. I think it will help him break the line of scrimmage a few times. Reggie is great in his element (open spaces) and Karney can help him in that respect...then he's on his own.

JOESAM2002 · 10-10-2007, 12:21 PM

I agree that running behind Karney will slow his roll and make him wait for the hole to open up. Plus it will give Brees another blocker, giving him more time and give the receivers more time to get open. My question is this. If we can see it, why can't Payton see it?

blacksaint · 10-10-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I agree that running behind Karney will slow his roll and make him wait for the hole to open up. Plus it will give Brees another blocker, giving him more time and give the receivers more time to get open. My question is this. If we can see it, why can't Payton see it?

The only problem I can see is Payton coaches a west coast style offense and they typically don't use a bruising style FB. Karney is a prototype, smash mouth, throwback style of FB that is great at cracking skulls and busting lips but he's not fluid enough to be featured in the passing game, but I do think he's great in the passing game on third down and short and up to eight or nine yards and he's always great in goal line situations. I think Coach Payton should alter his playbook a little to include more two back sets, because it don't make sense to have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and not and not get full usage out of him.

JOESAM2002 · 10-10-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

The only problem I can see is Payton coaches a west coast style offense and they typically don't use a bruising style FB. Karney is a prototype, smash mouth, throwback style of FB that is great at cracking skulls and busting lips but he's not fluid enough to be featured in the passing game, but I do think he's great in the passing game on third down and short and up to eight or nine yards and he's always great in goal line situations. I think Coach Payton should alter his playbook a little to include more two back sets, because it don't make sense to have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and not and not get full usage out of him.

You know, there always a first time for everything. It's obvious that things aren't working the way they are. All I'm saying is it's time to try something new. God know the few times we did use him as a blocker it worked, or at least better than without him. After all we don't have our bruising running back in there, at least until we see what Branch can do, if that's how they choose to use him.

I believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, it's definitly broke right now, so let's at least try and fix it.

blacksaint · 10-10-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

You know, there always a first time for everything. It's obvious that things aren't working the way they are. All I'm saying is it's time to try something new. God know the few times we did use him as a blocker it worked, or at least better than without him. After all we don't have our bruising running back in there, at least until we see what Branch can do, if that's how they choose to use him.

I believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, it's definitly broke right now, so let's at least try and fix it.

Don't get me wrong Joe, I totally agree that he should be played more, a lot more. I think Reggie would have a better chance of breaking a big one with Karney leading the way. I just think he's not fluid enough to be used extensively in a west coast style passing offense, now as a traditional blocking FB, Payton should play him 100% of the time, everytime he lines Reggie up in the eye, Karney should be right along with him. And if he have to put Reggie in a single eye formation, than put Karney at one of the TE positions, he's a better blocker than all of our TEs.

darstep · 10-10-2007, 03:50 PM

Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. But I see Karney's skill set as an asset not being utilized to its full potential. Even Duece loved to travel the road that Karney plowed - certainly Bush can benefit from following Karney into open areas. Karney is our best blitz protector, and has really good hands for use as a safety valve. Change is always tough, and after the success of last year, there may be added pressure to try to stay the course, and do things the same way- but it is not working. Losing Duece was a HUGE blow to our ability to control the ball. So now what do we do? Payton's so called genius needs to rise to the occasion, re-evaluate what he has to work with, and put his players in the best positions to make plays and contribute to the teams success.

DeadmaN · 10-10-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. But I see Karney's skill set as an asset not being utilized to its full potential. Even Duece loved to travel the road that Karney plowed - certainly Bush can benefit from following Karney into open areas. Karney is our best blitz protector, and has really good hands for use as a safety valve. Change is always tough, and after the success of last year, there may be added pressure to try to stay the course, and do things the same way- but it is not working. Losing Duece was a HUGE blow to our ability to control the ball. So now what do we do? Payton's so called genius needs to rise to the occasion, re-evaluate what he has to work with, and put his players in the best positions to make plays and contribute to the teams success.

I agree whole heartedly
the relationships that form between a head coach and some players will often be thicker then blood
and I also agree that some coaches will stick to there game plan to the bitter end
case in point the last 3 head coaches we have had
but considering the 0 and 4 start…
it’s time to go back to the drawing board
and I’m personally glad they are doing just that

blacksaint · 10-10-2007, 06:31 PM

Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films.

That might explain why Simoneau is still the starting MLB.

dasaints26 · 10-10-2007, 08:36 PM

There is no exact sceince to judging talent and predicting how it will translate to the NFL. Every year they have 1st round busts and some years top 5 busts. Most people had Bush as the #1 talent in last years draft and if he is a bust alot of people were wrong. Alot of people who do that for a living judging talent and projecting it to the NFL. Most people agree Houston made a mistake especially after the season we had improving that much in one year. This year is not over and I dont think most people would call Bush a bust just yet. I think our oline who has been underachieving will get rolling and our offense will get back to where we were last year. We still are explosive and have alot of talent on that side of the ball. We will get rolling and Sunday is a good day to start it. After leading the league in offense all last year we will look back to these 4 games as underachieving and the rest of our 12 games as who we really are.

Euphoria · 10-10-2007, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

There is no exact sceince to judging talent and predicting how it will translate to the NFL. Every year they have 1st round busts and some years top 5 busts. Most people had Bush as the #1 talent in last years draft and if he is a bust alot of people were wrong. Alot of people who do that for a living judging talent and projecting it to the NFL. Most people agree Houston made a mistake especially after the season we had improving that much in one year. This year is not over and I dont think most people would call Bush a bust just yet. I think our oline who has been underachieving will get rolling and our offense will get back to where we were last year. We still are explosive and have alot of talent on that side of the ball. We will get rolling and Sunday is a good day to start it. After leading the league in offense all last year we will look back to these 4 games as underachieving and the rest of our 12 games as who we really are.

"UNDERACHIEVING" -underachieving??? U-N-D-E-R-A-C-H-I-E-V-I-N-G? The Saints offensive line UNDERACHIEVING... you're kidding right?

10-10-2007, 12:21 PM	#2
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush I agree that running behind Karney will slow his roll and make him wait for the hole to open up. Plus it will give Brees another blocker, giving him more time and give the receivers more time to get open. My question is this. If we can see it, why can't Payton see it?
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10-10-2007, 06:28 PM	#3
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I agree that running behind Karney will slow his roll and make him wait for the hole to open up. Plus it will give Brees another blocker, giving him more time and give the receivers more time to get open. My question is this. If we can see it, why can't Payton see it? The only problem I can see is Payton coaches a west coast style offense and they typically don't use a bruising style FB. Karney is a prototype, smash mouth, throwback style of FB that is great at cracking skulls and busting lips but he's not fluid enough to be featured in the passing game, but I do think he's great in the passing game on third down and short and up to eight or nine yards and he's always great in goal line situations. I think Coach Payton should alter his playbook a little to include more two back sets, because it don't make sense to have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and not and not get full usage out of him.
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10-10-2007, 06:40 PM	#4
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by blacksaint The only problem I can see is Payton coaches a west coast style offense and they typically don't use a bruising style FB. Karney is a prototype, smash mouth, throwback style of FB that is great at cracking skulls and busting lips but he's not fluid enough to be featured in the passing game, but I do think he's great in the passing game on third down and short and up to eight or nine yards and he's always great in goal line situations. I think Coach Payton should alter his playbook a little to include more two back sets, because it don't make sense to have one of the best blocking FBs in the league and not and not get full usage out of him. You know, there always a first time for everything. It's obvious that things aren't working the way they are. All I'm saying is it's time to try something new. God know the few times we did use him as a blocker it worked, or at least better than without him. After all we don't have our bruising running back in there, at least until we see what Branch can do, if that's how they choose to use him. I believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, it's definitly broke right now, so let's at least try and fix it.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

10-10-2007, 11:36 PM	#5
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 You know, there always a first time for everything. It's obvious that things aren't working the way they are. All I'm saying is it's time to try something new. God know the few times we did use him as a blocker it worked, or at least better than without him. After all we don't have our bruising running back in there, at least until we see what Branch can do, if that's how they choose to use him. I believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, it's definitly broke right now, so let's at least try and fix it. Don't get me wrong Joe, I totally agree that he should be played more, a lot more. I think Reggie would have a better chance of breaking a big one with Karney leading the way. I just think he's not fluid enough to be used extensively in a west coast style passing offense, now as a traditional blocking FB, Payton should play him 100% of the time, everytime he lines Reggie up in the eye, Karney should be right along with him. And if he have to put Reggie in a single eye formation, than put Karney at one of the TE positions, he's a better blocker than all of our TEs.
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10-10-2007, 03:50 PM	#6
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Reggie Bush Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. But I see Karney's skill set as an asset not being utilized to its full potential. Even Duece loved to travel the road that Karney plowed - certainly Bush can benefit from following Karney into open areas. Karney is our best blitz protector, and has really good hands for use as a safety valve. Change is always tough, and after the success of last year, there may be added pressure to try to stay the course, and do things the same way- but it is not working. Losing Duece was a HUGE blow to our ability to control the ball. So now what do we do? Payton's so called genius needs to rise to the occasion, re-evaluate what he has to work with, and put his players in the best positions to make plays and contribute to the teams success.
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10-10-2007, 10:08 AM	#1
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Reggie Bush I agree WhoDat. Reggie needs to be lead by Karney. I think it will help him break the line of scrimmage a few times. Reggie is great in his element (open spaces) and Karney can help him in that respect...then he's on his own.

10-10-2007, 04:48 PM	#7
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by darstep Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. But I see Karney's skill set as an asset not being utilized to its full potential. Even Duece loved to travel the road that Karney plowed - certainly Bush can benefit from following Karney into open areas. Karney is our best blitz protector, and has really good hands for use as a safety valve. Change is always tough, and after the success of last year, there may be added pressure to try to stay the course, and do things the same way- but it is not working. Losing Duece was a HUGE blow to our ability to control the ball. So now what do we do? Payton's so called genius needs to rise to the occasion, re-evaluate what he has to work with, and put his players in the best positions to make plays and contribute to the teams success. I agree whole heartedly the relationships that form between a head coach and some players will often be thicker then blood and I also agree that some coaches will stick to there game plan to the bitter end case in point the last 3 head coaches we have had but considering the 0 and 4 start… it’s time to go back to the drawing board and I’m personally glad they are doing just that

10-10-2007, 06:31 PM	#8
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Reggie Bush Perhaps Payton can't see the forest for the trees. He sees these guys everyday and has developed relationships that may blurrrrrr or taint what he is seeing on the field - and on the films. That might explain why Simoneau is still the starting MLB.

10-10-2007, 08:36 PM	#9
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: Reggie Bush There is no exact sceince to judging talent and predicting how it will translate to the NFL. Every year they have 1st round busts and some years top 5 busts. Most people had Bush as the #1 talent in last years draft and if he is a bust alot of people were wrong. Alot of people who do that for a living judging talent and projecting it to the NFL. Most people agree Houston made a mistake especially after the season we had improving that much in one year. This year is not over and I dont think most people would call Bush a bust just yet. I think our oline who has been underachieving will get rolling and our offense will get back to where we were last year. We still are explosive and have alot of talent on that side of the ball. We will get rolling and Sunday is a good day to start it. After leading the league in offense all last year we will look back to these 4 games as underachieving and the rest of our 12 games as who we really are.
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10-10-2007, 10:59 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Reggie Bush Originally Posted by dasaints26 There is no exact sceince to judging talent and predicting how it will translate to the NFL. Every year they have 1st round busts and some years top 5 busts. Most people had Bush as the #1 talent in last years draft and if he is a bust alot of people were wrong. Alot of people who do that for a living judging talent and projecting it to the NFL. Most people agree Houston made a mistake especially after the season we had improving that much in one year. This year is not over and I dont think most people would call Bush a bust just yet. I think our oline who has been underachieving will get rolling and our offense will get back to where we were last year. We still are explosive and have alot of talent on that side of the ball. We will get rolling and Sunday is a good day to start it. After leading the league in offense all last year we will look back to these 4 games as underachieving and the rest of our 12 games as who we really are. "UNDERACHIEVING" -underachieving??? U-N-D-E-R-A-C-H-I-E-V-I-N-G? The Saints offensive line UNDERACHIEVING... you're kidding right?