Thank you, Sean Payton

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE=Euphoria;146390][QUOTE=stockman311;146384]

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing.
There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been.

I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR.

Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.

I'm not saying that Meachum is a bust, I have a feeling Meachum will be great, but why draft someone who can't help you now, in 2007. Meachum, was injuried, and Sean Payton, knew this, he could have drafted a line-backer or Chris Houston.

Bobaganoosh · 11-14-2007, 06:21 PM

I guess wasnt looking for athletical players and instead he got "sand-lock" football players.

FrenzyFan · 11-15-2007, 07:47 AM

I never thought this thread would get this much response. I started it because I was fed up with watching every pass play go downtown when the right thing to do in a blitz is to dump it short to the area of the field from which the blitz is coming from. After series after series of watching the exact same mistaken play calls on offense to the same unchanging blitzing on defense - leading to our eventual humiliation at the hands of the winless Rams, I was pretty ticked.

I can see Euphoria's point about the lack of adjustments. Normally I don't agree with much that he says, but in this case I found that he was saying the same thing I was - just in a different way. As an aside, I telephoned hell and it wasn't snowing there (but I had to check - j/k Euph!)

I never intended to bring draft decisions into the discussion, but since it was brought in by another poster to defend Payton's coaching, I'll say this. The draft is a crap-shoot. A team's picks can make the coaches and personnel staff look like geniuses and just as often, fools. I find this years decisions in the draft incomprehensible. Similarly, I was puzzled by last year's decisions considering they weren't critical needs to me (LB, LB, LB, and then a side-order of LB). With the turn-around of our team last year, and the amazing success of many of those picks everyone gives Payton and Co. a pass. It's hard to argue with performance, but honestly I haven't understood the Sean Payton's draft strategy in the last two years.

As to other semi-literate, sewage-spewing, etc. posters, I say "Don't feed the trolls" and hope that you all understand me.

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 02:33 PM

Dude, Saints9 call it like I see it, Drew Brees, arse suck, and Sean Payton, He deliberately sabotage the Saints season with those draft picks. How these teams blitz, you don't need a statue quarterback like Drew Brees, you need a quarterback who can move. And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. Prove to me that Drew Brees is a better quarterback, how many fumble does he have ? How many Interceptions, does he has? It's mighty strange how people can critcize Aaron Brooks, but don't blame Drew Brees for losing last weeks game. He has more interception than TD's, when a quarterback is losing games, than he must go on the bench. And don't talk about back-ups, it's disgraceful.

Bobaganoosh · 11-14-2007, 02:41 PM

Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around.

There is nothing but chaos in Indy and New Orleans due to all the poor QB play in the cities.

saints9 · 11-14-2007, 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=Bobaganoosh;146377]Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around.

Drew Brees, suck, let's deal with the now 2007, and the facts, he's giving games away. I know boys are disgusted with his play in the locker room, I'm damn sure they're talking about him among themselves. Now you can talk about my credability all you want, but I'm not the one who's standing in the middle of the huddle the so-called leader of the team throwing pick after the pick, than fumble if he hear a foot step,can you dig it? The number 9 has nothing to do with Drew Brees, it's my favorite number, and he's doing it a terrible injustice, because he sucks, period. The Saints don't need a statue quarterback, he's not atheletical at all, coach Payton sabotage the draft picks, get real man.

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by saints9

Dude, Saints9 call it like I see it, Drew Brees, arse suck, and Sean Payton, He deliberately sabotage the Saints season with those draft picks. How these teams blitz, you don't need a statue quarterback like Drew Brees, you need a quarterback who can move. And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. Prove to me that Drew Brees is a better quarterback, how many fumble does he have ? How many Interceptions, does he has? It's mighty strange how people can critcize Aaron Brooks, but don't blame Drew Brees for losing last weeks game. He has more interception than TD's, when a quarterback is losing games, than he must go on the bench. And don't talk about back-ups, it's disgraceful.

You stick with your guy. You don't Bench Manning after throwing 4-5 INTS. You don't bench QB's for the sake of benching them. They must learn to fight though the bad moments, get there rythum, get there mechanics back. Yes there are times to bench them but Manning, Brady, Brees aren't the QB's you bench.

WhoDat205 · 11-14-2007, 03:23 PM

I'm not sure why I'm responding to a person who refers to himself in the 3rd person and has yet to grasp the overt nuances of the English language, but...

______CMP_ATT__YDS_CMP%_YPA_LNG_TD_INT_SACK_RAT_FUM_LOST

Career 1673 2963 20261 56.5 6.84 76 123 92 235 78.5 30 11
Career 1731 2734 19213 63.3 7.03 86 120 76 116 87.2 8 2

In a blind taste-test, which would you choose? Both have played 7 seasons.

stockman311 · 11-14-2007, 03:27 PM

I would think Guy 2 in that scenario would be the obvious choice.

papz · 11-14-2007, 02:55 PM

And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it.

You just lost all credibility.

Are you blackonblack with a new ip address?

11-14-2007, 05:41 PM	#1
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=Euphoria;146390][QUOTE=stockman311;146384] Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great. No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing. There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been. I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR. Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early. I'm not saying that Meachum is a bust, I have a feeling Meachum will be great, but why draft someone who can't help you now, in 2007. Meachum, was injuried, and Sean Payton, knew this, he could have drafted a line-backer or Chris Houston.
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11-14-2007, 06:21 PM	#2
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton I guess wasnt looking for athletical players and instead he got "sand-lock" football players.

11-15-2007, 07:47 AM	#3
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton I never thought this thread would get this much response. I started it because I was fed up with watching every pass play go downtown when the right thing to do in a blitz is to dump it short to the area of the field from which the blitz is coming from. After series after series of watching the exact same mistaken play calls on offense to the same unchanging blitzing on defense - leading to our eventual humiliation at the hands of the winless Rams, I was pretty ticked. I can see Euphoria's point about the lack of adjustments. Normally I don't agree with much that he says, but in this case I found that he was saying the same thing I was - just in a different way. As an aside, I telephoned hell and it wasn't snowing there (but I had to check - j/k Euph!) I never intended to bring draft decisions into the discussion, but since it was brought in by another poster to defend Payton's coaching, I'll say this. The draft is a crap-shoot. A team's picks can make the coaches and personnel staff look like geniuses and just as often, fools. I find this years decisions in the draft incomprehensible. Similarly, I was puzzled by last year's decisions considering they weren't critical needs to me (LB, LB, LB, and then a side-order of LB). With the turn-around of our team last year, and the amazing success of many of those picks everyone gives Payton and Co. a pass. It's hard to argue with performance, but honestly I haven't understood the Sean Payton's draft strategy in the last two years. As to other semi-literate, sewage-spewing, etc. posters, I say "Don't feed the trolls" and hope that you all understand me.
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11-14-2007, 02:33 PM	#4
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Dude, Saints9 call it like I see it, Drew Brees, arse suck, and Sean Payton, He deliberately sabotage the Saints season with those draft picks. How these teams blitz, you don't need a statue quarterback like Drew Brees, you need a quarterback who can move. And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. Prove to me that Drew Brees is a better quarterback, how many fumble does he have ? How many Interceptions, does he has? It's mighty strange how people can critcize Aaron Brooks, but don't blame Drew Brees for losing last weeks game. He has more interception than TD's, when a quarterback is losing games, than he must go on the bench. And don't talk about back-ups, it's disgraceful.
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38

11-14-2007, 02:41 PM	#5
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around. There is nothing but chaos in Indy and New Orleans due to all the poor QB play in the cities.
	It's all in the reflexes.

11-14-2007, 05:38 PM	#6
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton [QUOTE=Bobaganoosh;146377]Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around. Drew Brees, suck, let's deal with the now 2007, and the facts, he's giving games away. I know boys are disgusted with his play in the locker room, I'm damn sure they're talking about him among themselves. Now you can talk about my credability all you want, but I'm not the one who's standing in the middle of the huddle the so-called leader of the team throwing pick after the pick, than fumble if he hear a foot step,can you dig it? The number 9 has nothing to do with Drew Brees, it's my favorite number, and he's doing it a terrible injustice, because he sucks, period. The Saints don't need a statue quarterback, he's not atheletical at all, coach Payton sabotage the draft picks, get real man.
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38

11-14-2007, 03:05 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton Originally Posted by saints9 Dude, Saints9 call it like I see it, Drew Brees, arse suck, and Sean Payton, He deliberately sabotage the Saints season with those draft picks. How these teams blitz, you don't need a statue quarterback like Drew Brees, you need a quarterback who can move. And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. Prove to me that Drew Brees is a better quarterback, how many fumble does he have ? How many Interceptions, does he has? It's mighty strange how people can critcize Aaron Brooks, but don't blame Drew Brees for losing last weeks game. He has more interception than TD's, when a quarterback is losing games, than he must go on the bench. And don't talk about back-ups, it's disgraceful. You stick with your guy. You don't Bench Manning after throwing 4-5 INTS. You don't bench QB's for the sake of benching them. They must learn to fight though the bad moments, get there rythum, get there mechanics back. Yes there are times to bench them but Manning, Brady, Brees aren't the QB's you bench.

11-14-2007, 03:23 PM	#8
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton I'm not sure why I'm responding to a person who refers to himself in the 3rd person and has yet to grasp the overt nuances of the English language, but... ______CMP_ATT__YDS_CMP%_YPA_LNG_TD_INT_SACK_RAT_FUM_LOST Career 1673 2963 20261 56.5 6.84 76 123 92 235 78.5 30 11 Career 1731 2734 19213 63.3 7.03 86 120 76 116 87.2 8 2 In a blind taste-test, which would you choose? Both have played 7 seasons.

11-14-2007, 03:27 PM	#9
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton I would think Guy 2 in that scenario would be the obvious choice.

11-14-2007, 02:55 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Thank you, Sean Payton And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. You just lost all credibility. Are you blackonblack with a new ip address?

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