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If this happens I am dreading the Minnesota game

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looks like the Rams aren't interested....

The Rams have "all but ruled out" a trade down, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Apparently the Rams aren't serious about pursuing New Orleans' offer of Jammal Brown, assuming it's true. Clayton says St. Louis doesn't want to move all the way to No. 10. The Saints now are expected to turn their efforts to Sedrick Ellis, which could lead to a deal with Baltimore or New England.

Source: ESPN Insider
Related: Sedrick Ellis

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

for me, it's either Glenn Dorsey, or Keith Rivers.

those are safe picks and we'll be set for the long run with either of those. lets not gamble with anything - we all know the saints 1st round history

Things are getting crazy....Brown trade bait?
 

New Orleans Saints, Jammal Brown, National Football League - CBSSports.com

The New Orleans Saints are trying hard to move up in Saturday's draft for a shot to draft defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey of LSU, and one of the pieces they are shopping in a trade is left tackle Jammal Brown, according to a league source.

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Not so fast my friends...

SAINTS LOADING THE CANNON FOR RUN AT DORSEY
Posted by Mike Florio on April 25, 2008, 8:17 a.m.
How interested are the New Orleans Saints in landing defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey? They’re reportedly including in the trade package starting left tackle Jamaal Brown.

According to Pete Prisco of CBSSports.com, the Saints are shopping Brown, a Pro Bowler in 2006.

Presumably, the Saints have offered Brown and the No. 10 overall pick to the Rams, for the No. 2 selection. If so, how do the Rams not take it? Brown is under contract through 2011, at a base salary of only $752,500 this year.

At No. 10, the Rams could then target someone like Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey. It would allow the Rams to address significant needs on each side of the line, and ensure them at least one proven player as a result of the transaction.

We should get a 3 back with the rights to pick Dorsey...

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

neither one of them are ready to start.....jammal brown is the cornerstone of the saints line...while everyone was giving up sacks the first few games...jammal was turning around to help after his guy was on his back...that is stupid....everybody knows the game is won in the trenches...you dont give up a proven left tackle for a rookie....NEVER

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He was the only consistancy the saints had on their left side.....actually...aside from jahri and jammal....our line is expendable....stinch was not what we had hoped and jamar nesbit seems to be declining somehow....however.....our line proved to hold strong last year after the first few games....to get rid of nebody on the best line in the league last season is stupid....faine was worth getting rid of tho....he wanted too much money

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

I agree 100%. I dont think we can afford to let him go.

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IMO Strief is better than Brown right now! I know I'm going to hear it for saying this, but Brown is the most over-rated OT in the NFL.

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haha....that is all for now

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STUPID! He's the best OT in the NFL and we're going to make the team better by losing him? Streif ain't that good.

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It wont happen....i dont think hes the best in the nfl....i do think he is the best on our team tho and thats like getting rid of drew or colston....u just dont do that....if they trade him i will declare myself a browns fan and never look back

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Lay off my boy gandhi. Brown got consistently beaten by top-flight defensive ends last season. He didn't have a good year at all. Whether or not that means I'd be ready to part ways with him at this time, I don't know, but I do know he regressed last year and looked bad in some games.

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Agree with this assestment. There was moments Brown choked. People over rate our OL way to much just because of the numbers we put up. What they fail to realize how ineffective we become againts good D lines and the fact that Drew Brees is a master at getting rid of the ball and avoiding sacks. With the weapons he has he's been able to make our line look awesome. Give credit where credit is due. Brown is expendable just like Faine was. Faine was HORRIBLE, missed way to many blocks for the amount of money he wanted so he's gone -CYA!

The reason I don't see the Rams taking the officer is the fact they have targeted and singled out DE LONG as their pick. Dorsey is still in play.

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You are contridicting yourself. "to get rid of nebody on the best line in the league last season is stupid..." but you are ok with letting Faine go??? The line wasn't the best in the league or we would have been sitting pretty in the SB. When your team doesn't make the SB anyone and everyone is expendible.

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that has already been posted in the stickied thread about moving up in the draft

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

Disagree with just about everything u said....as everyone knows u need a full team to get to the super bowl...and the great cliche....DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.....guess what...our offense is stellar...it was sluggish starting the season last year but we picked it up..no doubt drew is a beast and saved himself on a lot of occassions....everyone will agree with me..not necessarily on the position....but our line is not the problem....our defense is...y would we trade brown when it will only hurt us....the gm truely believes we are better off without faine bc we have a great backup and we also brought in matt lehr

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... not from me, though... I don't know that he's THE most over-rated, but you can make a decent argument :)

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streif is not going to start at left tackle for us....he is not better than jammal brown....if our left tackle was a problem....we would be drafting a LT

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"False start, No. 70, Offense... 5 yard penalty, replay the down..."

i dont know how many times i heard this last year...

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Just watch the two Carolina games from 2006. In one...Jammal Brown got used by Julius Peppers like a condom in Brazil. When Brown went down & Strief took his place against Carolina, he owned Peppers. Peppers had 0 sacks & 0 tackles in the backfield. I still remember saying "Holy s**t! He's throwing one of the NFL's top DE's around like a rag doll!!!!"

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haha im not sure how many times u heard it....this shouldnt even be an argument....the only ppl i've ever heard of saying brown is overrated is the 5 or so ppl on here...i hate to be the cocky young gun but i just think there is not much we can do to upgrade our LT therefore we shouldnt get rid of him....i dont even know y this is an issue....the rams declined it....i just think its stupid to get rid of our best lineman

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

i found this post on another saints board.. it makes a case FOR trading Jammal Brown.. its pretty well written and i thought i would just share it...

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oh dear....while using one instance to prove a point may work for you...i dont see it like that....if streif was better he would start....PERIOD....he doesnt..therefore there is a conflict in ur own argument....while we get to watch the games and maybe a practice or two....the coaches and players are with them 24/7 judging talent and setting depth charts...Brown is the starter....I feel like im going out of the bears press conference.....Jammal Is Our Left Tackle

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I agree with you Canton. Also I do believe Bentley woulda been a helluva player if not for staph. I mean honestly, how in the world anyone woulda guessed that? As for Howard and (my boy) Stallworth, both were injury prone so we didn't really lose much.

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while i dont agree with the other arguments i have stood by the FO in their decisions...if they trade Brown...they know something we dont...i just dont see it happening....and its impossible to say dorsey is a HOF DT without him playing a single down in the NFL...that is ridiculous

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then why are we offering him in a trade if he is our starting left tackle..

one reason is he is better suited to play right tackle.. everyone knows this.. second reason, he is a lil overrated.. he gets some hype b/c he was a first round pick who has played pretty well at times.. but he does get the jitters and likes to jump.. and his pass blocking has been below par when going up against the faster DEs..

in 2006, when he made the probowl.. i was kinda shocked.. i didnt think he deserved to go.. i think he rode the coattails of the other saints who were making plays all over the field and he got some of the reward for it when he didnt really deserve it.. colston deserved to go in 2006 more then brown..

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

y dont u just say they both deserved to go?....but thats not the argument at hand.....yes he is a little overrated b/c he was a 1st round pick...but i think he is less overrated and more overhyped because of the overall talent of the saints offense.....nobody will argue how explosive and dominating the saints offense can be at times....while he may be suited better at RT...there is nobody on our team now that can step up and be a better LT....so until someone steps up...MAYBE STREIF...in the future....brown will start and u cant be mad about that

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b/c i dont think he deserved to go..



i think that the FO thinks that Strief can replace Brown with not much of a dropoff...

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

I'm going to say this again....Strief will be a better LT than Jammal Brown. I will be prepared to eat crow if this does not come to pass. However...I think the "man mountain" will prove me right if we do in fact trade Brown (aka-Captain False Start).

On another note....the FO wasn't the only ones who knew Colston was going to be a stud at WR. I recall a certain part time pimp wanting him from the 3rd round on in that draft. :)

Re: Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!
 

I could not agree with this post more.

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The coaches must be awfully optimistic about the guys in back if this Brown offer is for real. That's encouraging.

OK, show me. I'm game for it. Pull the trigger.

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Yeah, I am for it. Pull the tigger. We got some developing OL that could be good or adequate replacements, IMO.

I think the Rams would be crazy not to take the offer but I don't think we are going to know until tomorrow morning.

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I don't see Brown going anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised to see us stand pat and take Clady or Albert (preferrably Clady) and shift Brown back to RT. Unless Dorsey drops past 3, I cannot see us landing him. We need to talk to the Chiefs as they're the logical trading partner for us. We should be able to land Ellis at 5 if we want him that badly. The Chiefs should still be able to land a stud tackle at 10.

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I don't see Rams picking Dorsey. I thing they want to go DE here or trade the pick. Just depends who they want more. If the Rams go DE then I am sure we'd be on the phones with the next team and so on until we get Dorsey or Ellis. I don't think either should be rulled out but Dorsey should be the bigger prize. Go with the #1 guy on the board.

Its good to see the Saints haven't given up and seriously pursing this. Ya know this is setting the Saints up to get Shockey in the second round. To much imo but hey we can call it a day and I can get on to a concert in San Diego. LOL.

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I see people write about how our front office knows what they're doing, so we must have a replacement for Brown standing in the wings. Why doesn't this same argument apply last year? If we had guy who was ready to replace Brown, why isn't he our starter? After all the front office knows what they're doing, right? But no, last year there was no one who could compete for the LT spot. It was Brown's. End of story.

Now we have a replacement (not sure who, but it must be so), so Brown is expendable. Heck LT is not even that important, you can scheme-block and make up for poor play according to one write-up. The pass rushing DEs who play against the LT all have poor stats because it's so easy to "scheme-block" against them, right?

I'll say this. I don't think it would be the end of the world if we traded Brown. Brees is good at getting rid of the ball quickly, though he's not especially mobile. I will also say that I am worried about over-paying for Dorsey. There are no "sure thing" players in the draft. Passing out proven players along with our few draft picks is starting to get into the "Ricky Williams" bargain-realm. Brown and a third (a second would be a reach, imo) would be livable, but I fear we may see Brown and our first.

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That would be a big blunder if a deal like such were to happen.

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The offer is Brown & the #10 from what I'm told. As for the "why didn't Brown get replaced last year" question....think about it. You have a guy at LT who was a 1st round pick (Brown) making 1st round pick money. You make hime earn his money. Then...you have a guy who was picked on the second day (Strief). Brown started & earned his money (barely). I'm sorry, but I have never thought Brown was as good as hyped. If we get the Rams to deal on Brown & the #10, I still think our FO did fine.

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Steep price for an unproven defensive tackle no matter how much I like him... not to mention the money it's going to take to sign him. I wouldn't even consider such a deal... but that's just me.

This is just a rumored report anyways... I'm sure everyone is blowing smoke up each others blow hole.

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I am all for a trade to go and get Glenn Dorsey, even though I'm not sure if giving #10 and Brown is a good idea. I've like the consistency of our line over the past two seasons, and losing two guys in one offseason could be very upsetting to the performance of the offense.

However, if the Dorsey deal can't be worked, I think that trading up to the Patriots' spot at #7 would allow us to land Ellis. The Jets will take McFadden if he's there and that should leave Ellis around at #7. The price to move up to #7 isn't that much, especially considering I could see the Patriots wanting to move down, get an extra pick, and take a cornerback. Anyways, that's what I'm thinking.