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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I'm going to say this & then I'm going to leave it alone.... Dorsey won a national championship, the Outland award, the Nagurski award, the Lombardi award, & the Lott award. To think that he won ...

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Old 04-18-2008, 11:06 AM   #1
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 View Post
I'm going to say this & then I'm going to leave it alone....

Dorsey won a national championship, the Outland award, the Nagurski award, the Lombardi award, & the Lott award. To think that he won all these things while being double teamed & hurt most of the season, surely one would have to see his worth.
All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.

Now...if that's not proof enough that he's the best defensive player in this year's draft, what else do you need. Here's an idea....watch video of him busting through double teams & making plays in the backfield for the last three seasons & make an educated decision. Whether you want to call it "Purple & Gold Glasses Syndrome" or whatever....the simple fact that he was the best defensive player last year has already been decided by the awards he received by the people who evaluate the players in the NCAA.
Granted, he could very well be the best D player in the draft. That doesn't translate into sure thing. Review the ESPN article about the 50 biggest busts. Many of those were viewed with equal regard BEFORE the draft.

ScottyRo....could your opinion on Dorsey be tainted by the fact that he dominated your home team Hokies this year to the point they hardly saw the LSU side of the field? Adibi hardly made any plays in that game & got abused like a $2 hooker. I'd still be happy picking Adibi in the 2nd or 3rd round, because I still feel he's a good LB. C'mon man....take those Hokie glasses off & see Glen Dorsey for the dominant DT he is.
Hahaha! Nice try, but I moved to Virginia two weeks ago from Louisiana ...the Hokies are not my home team. Besides, this has nothing at all to do with what college team I root for as much as it is about my concern of my favorite NFL team making a deal to move up and get him when I believe that every player is a bust risk. So many people on here were writing good things about moving up b/c he is a sure thing that are clearly linked to their love of LSU (and Dorsey) that I wanted to point out that there are concerns about risk here.

My glasses are black & gold and I am not going to ignore the risks just because he helped LSU win a championship.
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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!

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All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.



Granted, he could very well be the best D player in the draft. That doesn't translate into sure thing. Review the ESPN article about the 50 biggest busts. Many of those were viewed with equal regard BEFORE the draft.



Hahaha! Nice try, but I moved to Virginia two weeks ago from Louisiana ...the Hokies are not my home team. Besides, this has nothing at all to do with what college team I root for as much as it is about my concern of my favorite NFL team making a deal to move up and get him when I believe that every player is a bust risk. So many people on here were writing good things about moving up b/c he is a sure thing that are clearly linked to their love of LSU (and Dorsey) that I wanted to point out that there are concerns about risk here.

My glasses are black & gold and I am not going to ignore the risks just because he helped LSU win a championship.
As with any draft, there is always the possibility of a bad choice. However...in this year's draft, there are only two guy's I would be willing to move up for: Glen Dorsey or Darren McFadden. Not just b/c they are from the SEC (although I will admit that I am bias), but b/c they have excelled in the nation's toughest conference for 3 years in a row. As you stated above...nothing is a sure thing. However, Dorsey is as close to a sure thing in the draft as anything I have seen in the past 10 years. He would be worth the cost, especially when you consider that this is a position of great need for the Saints.

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Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!!

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All I was originally trying to express that with so much hype about him every game, I was expecting more production. He averaged 5 or 6 tackles per game last season. You'll have to tell me if that is good b/c I don't know comparatively. Hype goes a long way and I wonder whether he'd have won all of those awards had the team not won the championship. I never said he wasn't a good player at LSU.



Granted, he could very well be the best D player in the draft. That doesn't translate into sure thing. Review the ESPN article about the 50 biggest busts. Many of those were viewed with equal regard BEFORE the draft.



Hahaha! Nice try, but I moved to Virginia two weeks ago from Louisiana ...the Hokies are not my home team. Besides, this has nothing at all to do with what college team I root for as much as it is about my concern of my favorite NFL team making a deal to move up and get him when I believe that every player is a bust risk. So many people on here were writing good things about moving up b/c he is a sure thing that are clearly linked to their love of LSU (and Dorsey) that I wanted to point out that there are concerns about risk here.

My glasses are black & gold and I am not going to ignore the risks just because he helped LSU win a championship.
Keep in my mind that stats are not the only thing to look at. Im sure you have seen the videos and game film available to the public on Dorsey. It is not only the tangibles - the power, the strength, the motor, the burst, the quickness for a man his size, agility, penetration ability, stoutness at the point of attack, leverage, and range. Its also the intangibles that take away much of the bust factor - hard worker, toughness, terrific teammate, smarts, awareness, experience and instincts. Again, its not just the measurables or stats. And I can not stress enough - the thing about Dorsey that makes him so valuable is the ability to make everyone around him better. Think Kevin Williams of Minnesota or Haynesworth in Tennessee. These guys take the players around them and make them better. Dorsey is that type of player.
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Keep in my mind that stats are not the only thing to look at. Im sure you have seen the videos and game film available to the public on Dorsey. It is not only the tangibles - the power, the strength, the motor, the burst, the quickness for a man his size, agility, penetration ability, stoutness at the point of attack, leverage, and range. Its also the intangibles that take away much of the bust factor - hard worker, toughness, terrific teammate, smarts, awareness, experience and instincts. Again, its not just the measurables or stats. And I can not stress enough - the thing about Dorsey that makes him so valuable is the ability to make everyone around him better. Think Kevin Williams of Minnesota or Haynesworth in Tennessee. These guys take the players around them and make them better. Dorsey is that type of player.
Yes you don't go by stats alone.
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