Has disappointment set in?

beauchristopher · 04-26-2008, 09:03 PM

Oh by no means was I knocking Glenn. I just wanted to know why we signed him. I understand. I agree I hope we can package the rest and somehow get a late 3rd rounder maybe.. We don't really need a lot of quantity.. just quality altho I wonder how far Highsmith will drop.. any chance to 5th round? Ha..

winmill1 · 04-26-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by beauchristopher

Porter >>> Flowers. I promise you he is better for our defense. Flowers absolutely brings the noise (YES) but Porter is exactly the man 2 man guy we need. He has tremendous change of direction and speed. He can be a starter. Especially if JD keeps getting burned.. Gay can play nickel and it all depends of McKenzie's health.. I like Usama Young but Porter is better.

I think Porter will start ahead of Young. We used a LOT of smoke and mirrors to get this kid. He fits our D like a glove. I am very excited. DBREES, I think that were dead on that we have been watching this kid for a while. I think Flowers is very talented but Porter is the fit.

lsutigerfan · 04-26-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by winmill1

You know what else made me smile a little today-Carolina getting Stewart and not Mendenhall. I wouldn't like to face Mendenhall 2wice a year.

Not for me I alway thoughts Stewart was better than Mendenhall infact I think Stewart will be better than mcfadden.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-26-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change

I know I'm late to this party.

Marcellus Wiley, former pro bowl defensive end and current ESPN analyst made this observation this week:

It's hard for a QB to complete a pass from his back.

That's what Ellis is going to do for us next season. An athletic DT is going to push the pocket and create opportunities for the ends to get to the QB. Hurries and sacks will make opposing QBs rush passes. There will be less balls going over the secondary's head.

Sacks will be up. Opposing teams YPC and completion percentage will be down, and yes the run game will be better too.

I see a defense jumping from 26th into the low teens, maybe even into the top 10.

It will be a sight to behold.

If you want to see what I'm talking about go and take a peek at the pass defense for Denver and San Francisco last year. Each spent a ton of money on top flight secondaries.

Today's draft was wonderful.

SFIAH

winmill1 · 04-26-2008, 09:14 PM

mendenhall is such a bruiser, it just seems like tackling him 30 times would definitely make Dan Morgan's head explode.

winmill1 · 04-26-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I know I'm late to this party.

Marcellus Wiley, former pro bowl defensive end and current ESPN analyst made this observation this week:

That's what Ellis is going to do for us next season. An athletic DT is going to push the pocket and create opportunities for the ends to get to the QB. Hurries and sacks will make opposing QBs rush passes. There will be less balls going over the secondary's head.

Sacks will be up. Opposing teams YPC and completion percentage will be down, and yes the run game will be better too.

I see a defense jumping from 26th into the low teens, maybe even into the top 10.

It will be a sight to behold.

If you want to see what I'm talking about go and take a peek at the pass defense for Denver and San Francisco last year. Each spent a ton of money on top flight secondaries.

Today's draft was wonderful.

SFIAH

yep. look at the giant's secondary-very vanila and average, but their defensive line-fast and strong=average secondary is made above average by good d line.

hagan714 · 04-27-2008, 03:37 AM

Porter has what Flowers does not; SIZE and SPEED!
5107, 186, 4.33 Vs. 5096, 189, 4.58
add another 4 inches on the vert. jump 30 Vs. 34 and thats big.
porter is stronger 18 reps vs. 14 reps.
Production in college was good for both CBs. Flowers lives for the knock out hit. That is going to hurt him in the nfl.
Tackling is all about attitude and can be taught. Both need coaching in this area.

manadrew · 04-27-2008, 06:35 AM

Just a quick point. Last year our DB's did not have problem talking and helping on the run. It is Harper, Bullock, and Crafts best trait. MM is a great tackler and even Jason David was really good. The problem was that we couldn't tackle the WRs who were behind us. We got beat on so many big plays not because or DBs couldn't tackle, but because they couldn't cover.

Porter is a great man to man cover guy. Seems to me this was exactly what we needed.

On top of that he is a good returner. Very happy with both the picks.

Manadrew

winmill1 · 04-27-2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Porter has what Flowers does not; SIZE and SPEED!
5107, 186, 4.33 Vs. 5096, 189, 4.58
add another 4 inches on the vert. jump 30 Vs. 34 and thats big.
porter is stronger 18 reps vs. 14 reps.
Production in college was good for both CBs. Flowers lives for the knock out hit. That is going to hurt him in the nfl.
Tackling is all about attitude and can be taught. Both need coaching in this area.

If Flowers goes for a knockout blow on receivers like colston, t.o.-he will be eating spagetti through a straw. This isn't the ACC

winmill1 · 04-27-2008, 10:14 AM

manadrew-your right our problem is we get burned. we need a blanket man corner. That's exactly what we got. He doubles as a proven Kick Returner.

04-26-2008, 09:03 PM	#51
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: Has disappointment set in? Oh by no means was I knocking Glenn. I just wanted to know why we signed him. I understand. I agree I hope we can package the rest and somehow get a late 3rd rounder maybe.. We don't really need a lot of quantity.. just quality altho I wonder how far Highsmith will drop.. any chance to 5th round? Ha..

04-26-2008, 09:03 PM	#52
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by beauchristopher Porter >>> Flowers. I promise you he is better for our defense. Flowers absolutely brings the noise (YES) but Porter is exactly the man 2 man guy we need. He has tremendous change of direction and speed. He can be a starter. Especially if JD keeps getting burned.. Gay can play nickel and it all depends of McKenzie's health.. I like Usama Young but Porter is better. I think Porter will start ahead of Young. We used a LOT of smoke and mirrors to get this kid. He fits our D like a glove. I am very excited. DBREES, I think that were dead on that we have been watching this kid for a while. I think Flowers is very talented but Porter is the fit.
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04-26-2008, 09:08 PM	#53
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by winmill1 You know what else made me smile a little today-Carolina getting Stewart and not Mendenhall. I wouldn't like to face Mendenhall 2wice a year. Not for me I alway thoughts Stewart was better than Mendenhall infact I think Stewart will be better than mcfadden.

04-26-2008, 09:13 PM	#54
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by CantonLegend its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change I know I'm late to this party. Marcellus Wiley, former pro bowl defensive end and current ESPN analyst made this observation this week: It's hard for a QB to complete a pass from his back. That's what Ellis is going to do for us next season. An athletic DT is going to push the pocket and create opportunities for the ends to get to the QB. Hurries and sacks will make opposing QBs rush passes. There will be less balls going over the secondary's head. Sacks will be up. Opposing teams YPC and completion percentage will be down, and yes the run game will be better too. I see a defense jumping from 26th into the low teens, maybe even into the top 10. It will be a sight to behold. If you want to see what I'm talking about go and take a peek at the pass defense for Denver and San Francisco last year. Each spent a ton of money on top flight secondaries. Today's draft was wonderful. SFIAH
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04-26-2008, 09:14 PM	#55
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423	Re: Has disappointment set in? mendenhall is such a bruiser, it just seems like tackling him 30 times would definitely make Dan Morgan's head explode.
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04-26-2008, 09:19 PM	#56
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I know I'm late to this party. Marcellus Wiley, former pro bowl defensive end and current ESPN analyst made this observation this week: That's what Ellis is going to do for us next season. An athletic DT is going to push the pocket and create opportunities for the ends to get to the QB. Hurries and sacks will make opposing QBs rush passes. There will be less balls going over the secondary's head. Sacks will be up. Opposing teams YPC and completion percentage will be down, and yes the run game will be better too. I see a defense jumping from 26th into the low teens, maybe even into the top 10. It will be a sight to behold. If you want to see what I'm talking about go and take a peek at the pass defense for Denver and San Francisco last year. Each spent a ton of money on top flight secondaries. Today's draft was wonderful. SFIAH yep. look at the giant's secondary-very vanila and average, but their defensive line-fast and strong=average secondary is made above average by good d line.
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04-27-2008, 03:37 AM	#57
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Has disappointment set in? Porter has what Flowers does not; SIZE and SPEED! 5107, 186, 4.33 Vs. 5096, 189, 4.58 add another 4 inches on the vert. jump 30 Vs. 34 and thats big. porter is stronger 18 reps vs. 14 reps. Production in college was good for both CBs. Flowers lives for the knock out hit. That is going to hurt him in the nfl. Tackling is all about attitude and can be taught. Both need coaching in this area.

04-27-2008, 06:35 AM	#58
manadrew Rookie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 26	Re: Has disappointment set in? Just a quick point. Last year our DB's did not have problem talking and helping on the run. It is Harper, Bullock, and Crafts best trait. MM is a great tackler and even Jason David was really good. The problem was that we couldn't tackle the WRs who were behind us. We got beat on so many big plays not because or DBs couldn't tackle, but because they couldn't cover. Porter is a great man to man cover guy. Seems to me this was exactly what we needed. On top of that he is a good returner. Very happy with both the picks. Manadrew

04-27-2008, 10:09 AM	#59
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by hagan714 Porter has what Flowers does not; SIZE and SPEED! 5107, 186, 4.33 Vs. 5096, 189, 4.58 add another 4 inches on the vert. jump 30 Vs. 34 and thats big. porter is stronger 18 reps vs. 14 reps. Production in college was good for both CBs. Flowers lives for the knock out hit. That is going to hurt him in the nfl. Tackling is all about attitude and can be taught. Both need coaching in this area. If Flowers goes for a knockout blow on receivers like colston, t.o.-he will be eating spagetti through a straw. This isn't the ACC
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04-27-2008, 10:14 AM	#60
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 423	Re: Has disappointment set in? manadrew-your right our problem is we get burned. we need a blanket man corner. That's exactly what we got. He doubles as a proven Kick Returner.
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