Has disappointment set in?

WVSaint · 04-26-2008, 08:19 PM

i disagree with just about everything you said canton. as far as the colston comment, that was a needle in a haystack, if youre looking to find a colston in every draft youre gonna be seriously disappointed. porter will have every opportunity to improve, the reason you say we need a CB is due to our secondary not being very good, why wouldnt he have a shot to start if they are as bad as you think. getting ellis, helps our secondary, putting pressure on a QB, will always be a good thing for secondaries. our offseason moves have positioned us to have smith, grant, ellis, and mccray, rushing the QBs in passing situations. im not saying, were suddenly a top 5 D, but we are improved. we had so many problems with our D last year, its crazy to think we can fix everything in one offseason.

gandhi1007 · 04-26-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

i disagree with just about everything you said canton. as far as the colston comment, that was a needle in a haystack, if youre looking to find a colston in every draft youre gonna be seriously disappointed. porter will have every opportunity to improve, the reason you say we need a CB is due to our secondary not being very good, why wouldnt he have a shot to start if they are as bad as you think. getting ellis, helps our secondary, putting pressure on a QB, will always be a good thing for secondaries. our offseason moves have positioned us to have smith, grant, ellis, and mccray, rushing the QBs in passing situations. im not saying, were suddenly a top 5 D, but we are improved. we had so many problems with our D last year, its crazy to think we can fix everything in one offseason.

There is still a "Colston" in this draft. His name is Marcus Monk.

D_it_up · 04-26-2008, 08:19 PM

They were beating us over our heads, because THERE WAS NO FREAKIN' PASS RUSH! Ellis is going to draw double-teams. With him and (insert other DT here) providing a bull-rush up the middle, the pocket will collapse quickly allowing Grant, McCray, or Smith to provide the necessary pressure on the QB so he doesn't have seven or eight seconds to complete a pass. This will allow our secondary to stay tighter with the receivers and cut down all the big plays teams had against them last year. Our linebackers should should also be much improved in pass coverage which will take even more pressure off the secondary. Even though we don't have a top-flight corner, we shouldn't need one as long as the QB is watching the game from his back.

JKool · 04-26-2008, 08:23 PM

CBs tend to have a longer learning curve in the transition to the NFL, like WRs. This means that it is rare to find a CB who is not slotted for the Nickle or Dime slot in his first year or two. It is very rare that a new CB comes in and is what you are asking for - a serious improvement to a seasoned secondary.

No one has said that Porter is a bad tackler (in anything I've read about him), what they said is that he is a bit small and lacks aggressiveness. However, in agreement with Boba above, 80+ tackles doesn't sound like a slouch to me.

I think the Shockey trade would have helped us more right now, but in the long run, Porter is as good as any we could have got at #40. I say nice pick.

I also think that an improved (and healthy D-line) that can slow the run (limiting play action and the need for the CBs to play down) and create some pass rush will improve our secondary immeasurably.

I'm not disappointed at all with our first two picks.

WVSaint · 04-26-2008, 08:26 PM

also with TB drafting dexter jackson, getting a guy like porter looks even better.

gandhi1007 · 04-26-2008, 08:27 PM

I like the Porter pick. I personally wanted Fred Davis when the Shockey deal fell through, but Porter is still a good pick.

Bobaganoosh · 04-26-2008, 08:30 PM

good call on the Dexter Jackson comment....and another thing about Porter, he capitalizes on opportunities. He had 16 picks in his career...16...for a guy playing mostly man coverage it is imperative that you catch the ball when you get the chance...just a note, McKelvin had 4 picks in 4 years.

Its nice to know that if a CB does make a mistake, chances are this guy is going to make him pay...instead of letting a game changing play slip through his fingertips.

spkb25 · 04-26-2008, 08:29 PM

Dit up and Jkool I am right with you. No one, no matter their corners, were going to be able to cover the new england wideouts last year. Way to much speed an skill. How do you neutralize that, you put pressure on the qb and make him rush his throws. You will not always get there but you hope you can be disruptive enough. I think will smith has his best year this year. it all, every bit of it, starts at the line of scrimmage.

saints1234 · 04-26-2008, 08:30 PM

I like the pick hes fast and has good ball skills
..........he grew up in port allen so hes coming home
he'll come in and help out a lot.

spkb25 · 04-26-2008, 08:36 PM

Bobaganosh the check is in the mail

04-26-2008, 08:19 PM	#1
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Has disappointment set in? i disagree with just about everything you said canton. as far as the colston comment, that was a needle in a haystack, if youre looking to find a colston in every draft youre gonna be seriously disappointed. porter will have every opportunity to improve, the reason you say we need a CB is due to our secondary not being very good, why wouldnt he have a shot to start if they are as bad as you think. getting ellis, helps our secondary, putting pressure on a QB, will always be a good thing for secondaries. our offseason moves have positioned us to have smith, grant, ellis, and mccray, rushing the QBs in passing situations. im not saying, were suddenly a top 5 D, but we are improved. we had so many problems with our D last year, its crazy to think we can fix everything in one offseason.

04-26-2008, 08:26 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by WVSaint i disagree with just about everything you said canton. as far as the colston comment, that was a needle in a haystack, if youre looking to find a colston in every draft youre gonna be seriously disappointed. porter will have every opportunity to improve, the reason you say we need a CB is due to our secondary not being very good, why wouldnt he have a shot to start if they are as bad as you think. getting ellis, helps our secondary, putting pressure on a QB, will always be a good thing for secondaries. our offseason moves have positioned us to have smith, grant, ellis, and mccray, rushing the QBs in passing situations. im not saying, were suddenly a top 5 D, but we are improved. we had so many problems with our D last year, its crazy to think we can fix everything in one offseason. There is still a "Colston" in this draft. His name is Marcus Monk.

04-26-2008, 08:19 PM	#3
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has disappointment set in? They were beating us over our heads, because THERE WAS NO FREAKIN' PASS RUSH! Ellis is going to draw double-teams. With him and (insert other DT here) providing a bull-rush up the middle, the pocket will collapse quickly allowing Grant, McCray, or Smith to provide the necessary pressure on the QB so he doesn't have seven or eight seconds to complete a pass. This will allow our secondary to stay tighter with the receivers and cut down all the big plays teams had against them last year. Our linebackers should should also be much improved in pass coverage which will take even more pressure off the secondary. Even though we don't have a top-flight corner, we shouldn't need one as long as the QB is watching the game from his back.
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04-26-2008, 08:23 PM	#4
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Has disappointment set in? CBs tend to have a longer learning curve in the transition to the NFL, like WRs. This means that it is rare to find a CB who is not slotted for the Nickle or Dime slot in his first year or two. It is very rare that a new CB comes in and is what you are asking for - a serious improvement to a seasoned secondary. No one has said that Porter is a bad tackler (in anything I've read about him), what they said is that he is a bit small and lacks aggressiveness. However, in agreement with Boba above, 80+ tackles doesn't sound like a slouch to me. I think the Shockey trade would have helped us more right now, but in the long run, Porter is as good as any we could have got at #40. I say nice pick. I also think that an improved (and healthy D-line) that can slow the run (limiting play action and the need for the CBs to play down) and create some pass rush will improve our secondary immeasurably. I'm not disappointed at all with our first two picks.
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04-26-2008, 08:26 PM	#5
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Has disappointment set in? also with TB drafting dexter jackson, getting a guy like porter looks even better.

04-26-2008, 08:27 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Has disappointment set in? I like the Porter pick. I personally wanted Fred Davis when the Shockey deal fell through, but Porter is still a good pick.

04-26-2008, 08:30 PM	#7
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? good call on the Dexter Jackson comment....and another thing about Porter, he capitalizes on opportunities. He had 16 picks in his career...16...for a guy playing mostly man coverage it is imperative that you catch the ball when you get the chance...just a note, McKelvin had 4 picks in 4 years. Its nice to know that if a CB does make a mistake, chances are this guy is going to make him pay...instead of letting a game changing play slip through his fingertips.

04-26-2008, 08:29 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Has disappointment set in? Dit up and Jkool I am right with you. No one, no matter their corners, were going to be able to cover the new england wideouts last year. Way to much speed an skill. How do you neutralize that, you put pressure on the qb and make him rush his throws. You will not always get there but you hope you can be disruptive enough. I think will smith has his best year this year. it all, every bit of it, starts at the line of scrimmage.

04-26-2008, 08:30 PM	#9
saints1234 WHODaT#7 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Crowley Posts: 142	Re: Has disappointment set in? I like the pick hes fast and has good ball skills ..........he grew up in port allen so hes coming home he'll come in and help out a lot.

04-26-2008, 08:36 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Has disappointment set in? Bobaganosh the check is in the mail