Has disappointment set in?

FireVenturi · 04-27-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

while just about everyone aggrees that picking up ellis is one of the better moves in the draft....but our second round pick....i dont think theres much we could have done worse...i mean we could've ended up not having one and that might top it.....but we did....so....was it really worth it to wait so long to see if the shockey trade would go through?....and since it didnt we had to settle with a CB with great speed but a very bad tackler to say the least....not only will he struggle with tackling in the NFL...its pretty safe to say hes a liability to have on the field when our opponents are running....i think that it could hurt him because if he starts jumping on play actions he will be no better than fred thomas....i think we should've traded and picked up flowers.....what do u guys think?

Porter is strictly a man cover corner, which is what we need. If he is a liability in the running game, so be it. I rather have a corner that is an asset in the passing game and liability in the running game than the other way around. Flowers is a slow cover two corner, wouldnt fit our system.

JKool · 04-27-2008, 04:34 PM

I like the picks. I think we'd be better off in the short run with Shockey on the roster than any CB in the draft. Just my two cents on that.

I am however confused about people thinking this or that player is "a better fit" for our team. This sounds strange to me. We have NFL coaches right? These guys are supposed to design systems that fit the players (now that doesn't always work out, but that is their job). This is why whether or not you draft for need or BPA, you pick the best player you can - not the most "fit" player. That would just be odd.

CantonLegend · 04-28-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

And I'm sorry but there's no way that Dorsey is better than Ellis. If you watched Dorsey when he was healthy you'd know he was the best defensive player in the country, hands down.

listen...i never said dorsey is better than ellis...go back and read my post bro...i said i like ellis better...we dont have that really strong DT....while dorsey is overall better....there is not question who is stronger....ellis has one of the strongest upper bodies in the draft

JKool · 04-28-2008, 04:42 PM

I think the problem may have been the ambiguity in the word "strong". One of you meant strength (as in bench press, for example), the other strong (as in overall quality of player, for example).

CantonLegend · 04-28-2008, 04:46 PM

perhaps

Euphoria · 04-28-2008, 04:53 PM

You can keep the upper body strength. I want some explosiveness off the line of scrimmage. You can't coach speed. Anyone can hit the weight room though.

Hey we didn't end up with Dorsey and the next best player on the board at any position was Ellis. HELL TO THE YEAH you take him. The Saints / D-line coach knows exactly what he is getting and will get that line ready to go. I am happy with it, we got younger and better across the board with that pick.

I'd be careful not to hype Tracey Porter to much though.

CantonLegend · 04-28-2008, 04:59 PM

you cant coach speed....thats right and i love dorsey's quickness...i gotta admit tho...ellis' strength is so impressive and it just shows how hard he is willing to work to be a great football player....i cant wait to see how hard he works in the NFL

nedly · 04-28-2008, 10:24 PM

I like the Porter pick. I was initially kind of shocked, not ever having heard of him, but after seeing the videos and reading about what he can do, I believe it was a very solid necessary pick. He has a good attitude as well. It was definitely an area where we needed somebody.

04-27-2008, 02:46 PM	#71
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by CantonLegend while just about everyone aggrees that picking up ellis is one of the better moves in the draft....but our second round pick....i dont think theres much we could have done worse...i mean we could've ended up not having one and that might top it.....but we did....so....was it really worth it to wait so long to see if the shockey trade would go through?....and since it didnt we had to settle with a CB with great speed but a very bad tackler to say the least....not only will he struggle with tackling in the NFL...its pretty safe to say hes a liability to have on the field when our opponents are running....i think that it could hurt him because if he starts jumping on play actions he will be no better than fred thomas....i think we should've traded and picked up flowers.....what do u guys think? Porter is strictly a man cover corner, which is what we need. If he is a liability in the running game, so be it. I rather have a corner that is an asset in the passing game and liability in the running game than the other way around. Flowers is a slow cover two corner, wouldnt fit our system.

04-27-2008, 04:34 PM	#72
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Has disappointment set in? I like the picks. I think we'd be better off in the short run with Shockey on the roster than any CB in the draft. Just my two cents on that. I am however confused about people thinking this or that player is "a better fit" for our team. This sounds strange to me. We have NFL coaches right? These guys are supposed to design systems that fit the players (now that doesn't always work out, but that is their job). This is why whether or not you draft for need or BPA, you pick the best player you can - not the most "fit" player. That would just be odd.
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04-28-2008, 04:33 PM	#73
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by TheDeuce And I'm sorry but there's no way that Dorsey is better than Ellis. If you watched Dorsey when he was healthy you'd know he was the best defensive player in the country, hands down. listen...i never said dorsey is better than ellis...go back and read my post bro...i said i like ellis better...we dont have that really strong DT....while dorsey is overall better....there is not question who is stronger....ellis has one of the strongest upper bodies in the draft
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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Has disappointment set in? I think the problem may have been the ambiguity in the word "strong". One of you meant strength (as in bench press, for example), the other strong (as in overall quality of player, for example).

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04-28-2008, 04:53 PM	#76
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Has disappointment set in? You can keep the upper body strength. I want some explosiveness off the line of scrimmage. You can't coach speed. Anyone can hit the weight room though. Hey we didn't end up with Dorsey and the next best player on the board at any position was Ellis. HELL TO THE YEAH you take him. The Saints / D-line coach knows exactly what he is getting and will get that line ready to go. I am happy with it, we got younger and better across the board with that pick. I'd be careful not to hype Tracey Porter to much though.
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04-28-2008, 04:59 PM	#77
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? you cant coach speed....thats right and i love dorsey's quickness...i gotta admit tho...ellis' strength is so impressive and it just shows how hard he is willing to work to be a great football player....i cant wait to see how hard he works in the NFL

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nedly Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	Re: Has disappointment set in? I like the Porter pick. I was initially kind of shocked, not ever having heard of him, but after seeing the videos and reading about what he can do, I believe it was a very solid necessary pick. He has a good attitude as well. It was definitely an area where we needed somebody.
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