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Do we need to address the RB position

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I love aaron. he is as solid of a back up RB in the NFL. Age will catch up with him soon. Back to PT. Stecker was the man last year. He got 60% + of the carries up to ...

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Old 04-28-2008, 10:22 PM   #1
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

I love aaron. he is as solid of a back up RB in the NFL. Age will catch up with him soon.
Back to PT. Stecker was the man last year. He got 60% + of the carries up to the Chicago game. He blew the stadium up as we know. Then the saints fire the RB coach right after. Funny how quick they got rid of him. IMO the only reason PT was slide lined so much was because of the coach.
Duce will be around till he is done.
Riggie will tote the rock
stecker will be his dependable self.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:23 AM   #2
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

I think Warren Dunn is the perfect example of a smaller back carrying the load. An awesome player. Reggie and PT could take his example. Reggie has to learn how to avoid direct hits like Him and PT needs to get the reps for his development if as I believe Duece will not have the explosiveness. McAllister was a Hell of a football player and I hope I am wrong about Him. If I am not wrong I think He will not and make the call on His own. I aslo think we will see another back in traing camp for competition.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:06 AM   #3
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

I pretty much agree with the comments on this thread but even if Duece stays healthy and returns to form this year, next year we need to start looking for a replacement. He is nearing that 30 year old mark and we all know what happens to RB's production at that age. Shaun Alexander is already there and his production was way down.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:10 AM   #4
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

I don't think Warrick Dunn is an every down back either.

Maybe the problem I'm having is this: sure there are smaller backs who can play every down, but the system needs to accommodate the fact that they just can't take a beating. This means passing more, more zone-blocking schemes, and more short yardage plays that don't rely on simply pounding it up the middle.

Can Reggie be our feature back? Yes.
Will that require us to pass a lot more, even on short yardage? Yes.
Is that bad? Not sure.

If Duece makes it back to even 70%, we'll be fine this year.
If Reggie starts playing like Faulk, Westbrook, or (maybe) even Dunn or Marcus Allen, we'll be fine for awhile. This will, however, require, more passing - which I think would be fine.

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Old 04-29-2008, 12:16 PM   #5
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

My thoughts:

Duece: Stay healthy. 10-12 rushes per game. 4+ YPC. I don't think he needs to be the feature guy anymore. The only problem with Duece is getting him to stay on the field.

Reggie: 10-12 rushes per game. 5+ YPC. Reggie needs to do two things, and neither of them is to be the feature back in the traditional sense. The first is to be productive when rushing the ball. Doesn't have to be a home run every time, just good positive yardage. The second is that Reggie is best as the X factor on the field. Put him all over the place and force the defense to account for him. Swings, flares, wheels, end arounds, off tackle, middle of the line, and everything else.

I think folks miss the fact that Reggie does all of these types of activities well. But since he doesn't tote the rock for 130 a game, it gets dismissed.

As his unofficial PR guy, I'd say that his goal should be a shatter the total yards record. One year of racking up a 170+ total yards per game should be enough to shut the critics down even if it's distributed as 75 rushing and 95 doing the rest.

PT23: Grow him into the position. Give him a minimum of 10 touches per game. See if he can keep that 5+ YPC average that we've seen from him.

Stecker: Utility guy. Spell Reggie. Spell Duece. Special Teams.

Everyone wants to have that guy that we pound into the line 25 times a game. Anyone who has watched Payton and the Saints over the last two years should realize that's never going to be our offense. The RBs need more than anything else need to serve as a counterbalance to Brees delivering the football down the field.

It's more important that our run game be reliable and consistent as opposed to explosive. If our 4 backs collect 200+ YPG total, then they've done their job.

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Old 04-29-2008, 12:34 PM   #6
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Re: Do we need to address the RB position

It usually takes two years to recover from the kind of injury Duece sustained. And he had two knee surgeries...at best we should hope he's back by mid-season. I just don't see Deuce being am ajor factor next year. Our feature back this year will be Pierre Thomas. Bush will be Bush - Payton will use him to exploit mismatches on the D for big plays and use him as a decoy to keep the opposition off blance. Saints won't try him as an every down back again. Rhodes would be a good pick up. Stecker will come in to keep everyone fresh and maybe Jamaal Branch will get a chance. He can play. Is he still on the roster?
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A running back .... what the hell is a running back ... do we need one? I thought we had one already .... Charles Grant!
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:06 PM   #8
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I do know that we are a passing team now but like SFIAH said, we need to keep em honest. Teams know we mostly pass but lets face it. If its 3rd and 1 I would rather pound the ball rather that losing 5 yards on the swing pass.
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:08 PM   #9
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First of all, it only takes about 6 months now to recover from an ACL injury, and a bit longer for microfracture. Deuce will be healthy by camp.

Secondly, I completely agree with SFIAH, that Reggie can be great, but he needs to be used right. The play calling between last year and 2006 was night and day. In 2006, they used traditional play calling with Deuce, and kept teams off guard with Reggie. #25 will be at his best when opposing defenses don't know what's coming. In 2007, I knew what almost every play would be when Reggie was in there at RB (swing pass, screen, draw, or run off the tackle). A healthy Deuce means a more effective Reggie, and an unstoppable offense. Reggie can be this offense's featured weapon, but you have to use him right.

I also want to say I'm not sold on PT. I think he's a pretty good player, but I'm not ready to say he should be our feature running back next year because of one game against Chicago.
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First of all, it only takes about 6 months now to recover from an ACL injury, and a bit longer for microfracture. Deuce will be healthy by camp.

Secondly, I completely agree with SFIAH, that Reggie can be great, but he needs to be used right. The play calling between last year and 2006 was night and day. In 2006, they used traditional play calling with Deuce, and kept teams off guard with Reggie. #25 will be at his best when opposing defenses don't know what's coming. In 2007, I knew what almost every play would be when Reggie was in there at RB (swing pass, screen, draw, or run off the tackle). A healthy Deuce means a more effective Reggie, and an unstoppable offense. Reggie can be this offense's featured weapon, but you have to use him right.

I also want to say I'm not sold on PT. I think he's a pretty good player, but I'm not ready to say he should be our feature running back next year because of one game against Chicago.
Why not? The Saints haven't used him enough for anyone to know whether he'll be the next starter for the Saints but he has shown some serious promise. In the Chicago game, Thomas did better in his one start than Bush had done all year. I'm not insinuating that he's better than Reggie Bush. Just that he played a very good game. He also had a 24 yard TD against Peanut's favorite team. (Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

Branch showed some promise in the 2006 pre-season but I didn't hear much about him 2007. I hope to see him in the 2008 pre-season. I'd like to see Barclay play too.

I guess my answer to the question is no. I think that the Saints are okay.

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