Do we need to address the RB position

WillMacKenzie · 05-09-2008, 03:58 PM

You're absolutely right, we'll see what Mendenhall does next year.

Makes sense about Hester and Co., seeing as how Reggie Bush and Stecker was still starting on the Saints - even though Pierre Thomas was the better running back!

jewagr007 · 05-09-2008, 04:08 PM

[QUOTE=pakowitz;165966]

..let me explain it to you like this... jacob hester was the starting RB for LSU this past year as a SR.. is that b/c he is a better RB then TRUE SOPHOMORES Keiland Williams, Charles Scott, or Richard Murphy? NO! its b/c he had more experience and he knew the system better... any half descent LSU fan knows that a 3 of this years RBs have 10 times more talent then jacob hester..

WOW! Are you serious. There is absolutly NO WAY that any of those 3 backs could have made the hard yards Hester made last year. Hester is the reason that we won the overtime gams we won. He is definately the reason we beat Florida. Do you honestly believe that without Hester in there Miles would have attempted all those 4th downs. I would even trade Duece right now for Hester ( and I even loved Duece when he was at Ole Miss...and I hate Ole Miss) Hester has power a plenty, sleeper speed and a heart that I don't know how it fits in his chest it's so big. I'll take that anyday over a finess back.

pakowitz · 05-09-2008, 04:21 PM

yes i am serious.. hester is a good player but he doesnt have the talent that the other 3 players have.. you cant argue that.. he doesnt have the speed or athleticism of any of those guys.. which is my point.. he was starting b/c of the experience.. not b/c of the ability...

im a huge LSU fan but you really need to take off the purple n gold glasses

jewagr007 · 05-09-2008, 04:25 PM

He runs a 4.5 40. That is pretty fast in my book and it was his talent that put him on the field.

pakowitz · 05-09-2008, 04:30 PM

Jacob Hester
Combine Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 226
40 Yrd Dash: 4.61
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

and i never said he didnt have talent.. i said that the other players are more talented yet less experienced... its really a simple concept... if you really honestly believe that hester has more talent than even 1 of the other 3, then i say u have a man crush on hester b/c he really isnt that athletic of a player, you just let your love for the way he plays influence u

CantonLegend · 05-10-2008, 04:50 AM

jewagr, how can u say that duece is a finesse back?.....he has been there for years for us pulling out hard yards..catching passes...side stepping....he isnt finesse....he was great at doing it all....jacob hester didnt even come to us and to trade duece for a sub-par NFL back at best would be ridiculous...Duece will start this year when he is healthy....because he has earned it...now on the PT subject....i like PT and i hope he does turn out as everyone claims he is....i just dont see it like that right now...i think the depth chart at running back is unaltered from last year to this year....PT didnt prove ne thing to me that aaron stecker and duece didnt.....reggie is different...but thats a different topic...to say that PT should start over duece is absurd....i hope he turns out great tho because that would mean a top running game to go along with our top passing game....i may be mistaken but doesnt duece have the record for most games in a row with at least 100 yards rushing?....how can u sit that behind a 2nd year player with limited experience...PT will get his touches.....just dont expect him to be starting for us...at least this year

jewagr007 · 05-10-2008, 04:01 PM

Fist off...Canton...I was not refering to Duece. Duece is a machine. i would never talk bad about him in any way.

Next...Pakowitz....Talent is only as good as the sytem in which it is place allows it to be. Reggie Bush is a perfect example. He is a very talented back but he talent was worthless last year because we ran a system that was not the right fit for him. He is no good as an every down back. We all knew that when we signed him (at least most of us did). For the system that was being ran last year at LSU...Hester was the most talented back. The sytem needed a bruiser adn that is what Hester is...so yes...he was the most talented for the system. As far as letting the way he plays influence me...guilty...because at the end of the day...the way a player performs on the field is all that matters.

Combine speed meens jack...field speed meens everything!

papz · 05-10-2008, 04:55 PM

1. Keiland Williams
2. Richard Murphy
3. Charles Scott
4. Jacob Hester

That's how I rank them in talent. Hester was the least talented back but his heart, smarts, instinct, and experience made him the featured back last year. He's solid overall and didn't have a real weakness. Now I wouldn't say we wouldn't have tried all those 4th and 1's last year w/o Hester back there because Scott is a bruiser himself... but I certainly wouldn't have been as comfortable doing those plays w/o him. We don't know if the other backs could or could not do what Hester did because they weren't put into position to do so... that was Jacob's job. But, the other backs certainly were talented enough.

BiggieX · 05-12-2008, 04:30 PM

Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior.

Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams.

I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.

jewagr007 · 05-13-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by BiggieX

Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior.

Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams.

I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.

Thanks BiggeX. Finally someone gets it!

05-09-2008, 03:58 PM	#51
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Do we need to address the RB position You're absolutely right, we'll see what Mendenhall does next year. Makes sense about Hester and Co., seeing as how Reggie Bush and Stecker was still starting on the Saints - even though Pierre Thomas was the better running back!

05-09-2008, 04:08 PM	#52
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position [QUOTE=pakowitz;165966] ..let me explain it to you like this... jacob hester was the starting RB for LSU this past year as a SR.. is that b/c he is a better RB then TRUE SOPHOMORES Keiland Williams, Charles Scott, or Richard Murphy? NO! its b/c he had more experience and he knew the system better... any half descent LSU fan knows that a 3 of this years RBs have 10 times more talent then jacob hester.. WOW! Are you serious. There is absolutly NO WAY that any of those 3 backs could have made the hard yards Hester made last year. Hester is the reason that we won the overtime gams we won. He is definately the reason we beat Florida. Do you honestly believe that without Hester in there Miles would have attempted all those 4th downs. I would even trade Duece right now for Hester ( and I even loved Duece when he was at Ole Miss...and I hate Ole Miss) Hester has power a plenty, sleeper speed and a heart that I don't know how it fits in his chest it's so big. I'll take that anyday over a finess back.

05-09-2008, 04:21 PM	#53
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Do we need to address the RB position yes i am serious.. hester is a good player but he doesnt have the talent that the other 3 players have.. you cant argue that.. he doesnt have the speed or athleticism of any of those guys.. which is my point.. he was starting b/c of the experience.. not b/c of the ability... im a huge LSU fan but you really need to take off the purple n gold glasses
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05-09-2008, 04:25 PM	#54
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position He runs a 4.5 40. That is pretty fast in my book and it was his talent that put him on the field.

05-09-2008, 04:30 PM	#55
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Jacob Hester Combine Results Combine Invite: Yes Height: 5'10" Weight: 226 40 Yrd Dash: 4.61 20 Yrd Dash: 2.65 10 Yrd Dash: 1.50 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23 Vertical Jump: 27 1/2 Broad Jump: 09'03" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24 3-Cone Drill: 6.85 and i never said he didnt have talent.. i said that the other players are more talented yet less experienced... its really a simple concept... if you really honestly believe that hester has more talent than even 1 of the other 3, then i say u have a man crush on hester b/c he really isnt that athletic of a player, you just let your love for the way he plays influence u
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05-10-2008, 04:50 AM	#56
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Do we need to address the RB position jewagr, how can u say that duece is a finesse back?.....he has been there for years for us pulling out hard yards..catching passes...side stepping....he isnt finesse....he was great at doing it all....jacob hester didnt even come to us and to trade duece for a sub-par NFL back at best would be ridiculous...Duece will start this year when he is healthy....because he has earned it...now on the PT subject....i like PT and i hope he does turn out as everyone claims he is....i just dont see it like that right now...i think the depth chart at running back is unaltered from last year to this year....PT didnt prove ne thing to me that aaron stecker and duece didnt.....reggie is different...but thats a different topic...to say that PT should start over duece is absurd....i hope he turns out great tho because that would mean a top running game to go along with our top passing game....i may be mistaken but doesnt duece have the record for most games in a row with at least 100 yards rushing?....how can u sit that behind a 2nd year player with limited experience...PT will get his touches.....just dont expect him to be starting for us...at least this year
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05-10-2008, 04:01 PM	#57
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Fist off...Canton...I was not refering to Duece. Duece is a machine. i would never talk bad about him in any way. Next...Pakowitz....Talent is only as good as the sytem in which it is place allows it to be. Reggie Bush is a perfect example. He is a very talented back but he talent was worthless last year because we ran a system that was not the right fit for him. He is no good as an every down back. We all knew that when we signed him (at least most of us did). For the system that was being ran last year at LSU...Hester was the most talented back. The sytem needed a bruiser adn that is what Hester is...so yes...he was the most talented for the system. As far as letting the way he plays influence me...guilty...because at the end of the day...the way a player performs on the field is all that matters. Combine speed meens jack...field speed meens everything!
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05-10-2008, 04:55 PM	#58
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Do we need to address the RB position 1. Keiland Williams 2. Richard Murphy 3. Charles Scott 4. Jacob Hester That's how I rank them in talent. Hester was the least talented back but his heart, smarts, instinct, and experience made him the featured back last year. He's solid overall and didn't have a real weakness. Now I wouldn't say we wouldn't have tried all those 4th and 1's last year w/o Hester back there because Scott is a bruiser himself... but I certainly wouldn't have been as comfortable doing those plays w/o him. We don't know if the other backs could or could not do what Hester did because they weren't put into position to do so... that was Jacob's job. But, the other backs certainly were talented enough.
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05-12-2008, 04:30 PM	#59
BiggieX Rookie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 16	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior. Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.
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05-13-2008, 02:58 PM	#60
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by BiggieX Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior. Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title. Thanks BiggeX. Finally someone gets it!