Do we need to address the RB position

TheDeuce · 04-29-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Why not? The Saints haven't used him enough for anyone to know whether he'll be the next starter for the Saints but he has shown some serious promise. In the Chicago game, Thomas did better in his one start than Bush had done all year. I'm not insinuating that he's better than Reggie Bush. Just that he played a very good game. He also had a 24 yard TD against Peanut's favorite team. (Sorry. I couldn't resist.)

I didn't say he won't be a good player, I said I'm not sold on him yet. I think that's a pretty reasonable thing to say. It would be foolish to jump to conclusions and say that this guy is the future of our running game because of one game. Doesn't mean he won't be, but I'm saying that I'm not ready to say that he's "the guy." The only other game where he had 10+ carries last season, he averaged 2.7 a rush. I'm just saying, don't jump to conclusions yet.

BooBirdSaint · 04-29-2008, 01:22 PM

Until this Defense can improve greatly (26th) last year we urgently need a strong running game to help with clock management. I think we've proven what happens when your D is crap and can't run the ball and keep the other teams offense off the field (hello 7-9). We desperately need our running back by committee to get it done this year if we hope for any chance at post season play.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-30-2008, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint

Until this Defense can improve greatly (26th) last year we urgently need a strong running game to help with clock management.

The defense will improve greatly. We've acquired 3 players (Vilma, Morgan, Ellis) that have Pro Bowl caliber talent. If the coaches can be convinced to sit Bullocks down and play KK then each and every weakness the Saints had on defense last year (DT, MLB, WLB, both CBs, S) will have been addressed.

This will be a top 10 defense next year. A defense capable of dominating a game. A defense capable of going deep into the playoffs.

The second thing is that Coach Payton offense doesn't revolve around running the football. You're just not going to get 30 carries a game from the Saints offense.

The Saints offense is perfectly capable of managing the clock the way it is.

The running game for the Saints doesn't have to be the engine that drives it. All it needs to be is the reliable counterbalance to the passing game, which is the engine that drives it.

I think we've proven what happens when your D is crap and can't run the ball and keep the other teams offense off the field (hello 7-9). We desperately need our running back by committee to get it done this year if we hope for any chance at post season play.

I strongly disagree with your assessment on the offensive side of the equation. Does the defense need to improve? Absolutely! Will it? Absolutely! However, the offense we've had for the last 2 years is a high caliber offense.

But if you read my sig, you know that's not enough.

SFIAH

hagan714 · 04-30-2008, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This will be a top 10 defense next year. A defense capable of dominating a game. A defense capable of going deep into the playoffs.SFIAH

The Professor has spoken

QBREES9 · 04-29-2008, 09:50 PM

D. Rhodes
He was released by the Raiders today, should we bring him in for a visit

hagan714 · 04-30-2008, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

D. Rhodes
He was released by the Raiders today, should we bring him in for a visit

he is one screw up away from a 1 yr. suspension. him in NO? LOL no way could he make it.

leilung · 04-30-2008, 07:46 AM

Could we land Rhodes at RB for a cheap pricetag? He's now available. I mean, it doesn't hurt to bring him in and check the waters. And we could ALWAYS use a little padding at the position.

Raiders release RB Rhodes - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

BiggieX · 05-08-2008, 03:59 PM

As much as I would love Deuce at 100% I don't think it's going to happen, alteast not for the better half of the season. Maybe we'll be able to run by committee as Deuce gradually works his way back to full speed. I don't know why they don't let Karney share the pounding loads on 3rd down short yardage situations? I would take this over double reverse fumbles as happened at the end of the Tampa game last year. I am curious to see if PT can recieve most of the carries between the tackles along with Steady Stecker.

Peyton is an offensive genius. I'm sure he's thought over the situation and has some new plays to make the committee work.

Forget Dominic Rhodes , bring in Alley Broussard!!!

CantonLegend · 05-08-2008, 04:28 PM

i too have seen the decrease in the use of fullbacks in the NFL...im worried that it is a lost art....although with the 2 back systems coming along it has brought rise to a newer faster smaller fullback role...the grinders...marion barber, duece, tj ducket.....etc....i think that karney is underused and he is a great talent...one of the best blocking fullbacks in the league...i also think he is clutch when he catches passes and he is great at running over defenders...i would love to see him integrated more in the run game

B_Dub_Saint · 05-09-2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i too have seen the decrease in the use of fullbacks in the NFL...im worried that it is a lost art....although with the 2 back systems coming along it has brought rise to a newer faster smaller fullback role...the grinders...marion barber, duece, tj ducket.....etc....i think that karney is underused and he is a great talent...one of the best blocking fullbacks in the league...i also think he is clutch when he catches passes and he is great at running over defenders...i would love to see him integrated more in the run game

I totally agree about Karney. It would be great to let him pound it out for the hard yards. We could just let Sedrick Ellis lead block for Karney

04-29-2008, 10:31 PM	#1
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by iceshack149 Why not? The Saints haven't used him enough for anyone to know whether he'll be the next starter for the Saints but he has shown some serious promise. In the Chicago game, Thomas did better in his one start than Bush had done all year. I'm not insinuating that he's better than Reggie Bush. Just that he played a very good game. He also had a 24 yard TD against Peanut's favorite team. (Sorry. I couldn't resist.) I didn't say he won't be a good player, I said I'm not sold on him yet. I think that's a pretty reasonable thing to say. It would be foolish to jump to conclusions and say that this guy is the future of our running game because of one game. Doesn't mean he won't be, but I'm saying that I'm not ready to say that he's "the guy." The only other game where he had 10+ carries last season, he averaged 2.7 a rush. I'm just saying, don't jump to conclusions yet.
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04-29-2008, 01:22 PM	#2
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Until this Defense can improve greatly (26th) last year we urgently need a strong running game to help with clock management. I think we've proven what happens when your D is crap and can't run the ball and keep the other teams offense off the field (hello 7-9). We desperately need our running back by committee to get it done this year if we hope for any chance at post season play.

04-30-2008, 05:45 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by BooBirdSaint Until this Defense can improve greatly (26th) last year we urgently need a strong running game to help with clock management. The defense will improve greatly. We've acquired 3 players (Vilma, Morgan, Ellis) that have Pro Bowl caliber talent. If the coaches can be convinced to sit Bullocks down and play KK then each and every weakness the Saints had on defense last year (DT, MLB, WLB, both CBs, S) will have been addressed. This will be a top 10 defense next year. A defense capable of dominating a game. A defense capable of going deep into the playoffs. The second thing is that Coach Payton offense doesn't revolve around running the football. You're just not going to get 30 carries a game from the Saints offense. The Saints offense is perfectly capable of managing the clock the way it is. The running game for the Saints doesn't have to be the engine that drives it. All it needs to be is the reliable counterbalance to the passing game, which is the engine that drives it. I think we've proven what happens when your D is crap and can't run the ball and keep the other teams offense off the field (hello 7-9). We desperately need our running back by committee to get it done this year if we hope for any chance at post season play. I strongly disagree with your assessment on the offensive side of the equation. Does the defense need to improve? Absolutely! Will it? Absolutely! However, the offense we've had for the last 2 years is a high caliber offense. But if you read my sig, you know that's not enough. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

04-30-2008, 05:53 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This will be a top 10 defense next year. A defense capable of dominating a game. A defense capable of going deep into the playoffs.SFIAH The Professor has spoken

04-29-2008, 09:50 PM	#5
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Do we need to address the RB position D. Rhodes He was released by the Raiders today, should we bring him in for a visit

04-30-2008, 04:37 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by QBREES9 D. Rhodes He was released by the Raiders today, should we bring him in for a visit he is one screw up away from a 1 yr. suspension. him in NO? LOL no way could he make it.

04-30-2008, 07:46 AM	#7
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,419	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Could we land Rhodes at RB for a cheap pricetag? He's now available. I mean, it doesn't hurt to bring him in and check the waters. And we could ALWAYS use a little padding at the position. Raiders release RB Rhodes - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
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05-08-2008, 03:59 PM	#8
BiggieX Rookie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 16	Re: Do we need to address the RB position As much as I would love Deuce at 100% I don't think it's going to happen, alteast not for the better half of the season. Maybe we'll be able to run by committee as Deuce gradually works his way back to full speed. I don't know why they don't let Karney share the pounding loads on 3rd down short yardage situations? I would take this over double reverse fumbles as happened at the end of the Tampa game last year. I am curious to see if PT can recieve most of the carries between the tackles along with Steady Stecker. Peyton is an offensive genius. I'm sure he's thought over the situation and has some new plays to make the committee work. Forget Dominic Rhodes , bring in Alley Broussard!!!
	Forget Dominic Rhodes, bring in Alley Broussard!! BiggieX Last edited by BiggieX; 05-08-2008 at 04:08 PM..

05-08-2008, 04:28 PM	#9
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Do we need to address the RB position i too have seen the decrease in the use of fullbacks in the NFL...im worried that it is a lost art....although with the 2 back systems coming along it has brought rise to a newer faster smaller fullback role...the grinders...marion barber, duece, tj ducket.....etc....i think that karney is underused and he is a great talent...one of the best blocking fullbacks in the league...i also think he is clutch when he catches passes and he is great at running over defenders...i would love to see him integrated more in the run game
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05-09-2008, 09:54 AM	#10
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by CantonLegend i too have seen the decrease in the use of fullbacks in the NFL...im worried that it is a lost art....although with the 2 back systems coming along it has brought rise to a newer faster smaller fullback role...the grinders...marion barber, duece, tj ducket.....etc....i think that karney is underused and he is a great talent...one of the best blocking fullbacks in the league...i also think he is clutch when he catches passes and he is great at running over defenders...i would love to see him integrated more in the run game I totally agree about Karney. It would be great to let him pound it out for the hard yards. We could just let Sedrick Ellis lead block for Karney

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