Do we need to address the RB position

Tobias-Reiper · 05-09-2008, 12:07 PM

.. it's not that Deuce won't be healthy come opening day, rather how long can he stay healthy.

I concur with SFIAH; the Saints offense doesn't revolve around the run. If Colston, Reggie, Meachem (hopefully), Miller/Johnson do their thing, PT and Stecker are more than capable of handling the hand-off .

WillMacKenzie · 05-09-2008, 02:05 PM

Career Stats for Pierre Thomas
Rushing Receiving Fumbles
Games - 12
Games Started - 1
Att - 52
Yds - 252
Avg - 4.8
Lng - 24 (Touchdown)
TD - 0
Rec - 17
Yds - 151
Avg - 8.9
Lng - 17
TD - 1
FUM - 0 Lost - 0
2007 New Orleans Saints

And lest we forget that recovered fumble for a touchdown in Seattle, and that 24 yard touchdown scamper against the Falcons.

No fumbles, and nearly a 5 yard average....whoever's sleeping on this kid needs to be banned from all football talk until proven intelligent.

pakowitz · 05-09-2008, 03:21 PM

yes i am serious.. hester is a good player but he doesnt have the talent that the other 3 players have.. you cant argue that.. he doesnt have the speed or athleticism of any of those guys.. which is my point.. he was starting b/c of the experience.. not b/c of the ability...

im a huge LSU fan but you really need to take off the purple n gold glasses

jewagr007 · 05-09-2008, 03:25 PM

He runs a 4.5 40. That is pretty fast in my book and it was his talent that put him on the field.

pakowitz · 05-09-2008, 03:30 PM

Jacob Hester
Combine Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 226
40 Yrd Dash: 4.61
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24
3-Cone Drill: 6.85

and i never said he didnt have talent.. i said that the other players are more talented yet less experienced... its really a simple concept... if you really honestly believe that hester has more talent than even 1 of the other 3, then i say u have a man crush on hester b/c he really isnt that athletic of a player, you just let your love for the way he plays influence u

CantonLegend · 05-10-2008, 03:50 AM

jewagr, how can u say that duece is a finesse back?.....he has been there for years for us pulling out hard yards..catching passes...side stepping....he isnt finesse....he was great at doing it all....jacob hester didnt even come to us and to trade duece for a sub-par NFL back at best would be ridiculous...Duece will start this year when he is healthy....because he has earned it...now on the PT subject....i like PT and i hope he does turn out as everyone claims he is....i just dont see it like that right now...i think the depth chart at running back is unaltered from last year to this year....PT didnt prove ne thing to me that aaron stecker and duece didnt.....reggie is different...but thats a different topic...to say that PT should start over duece is absurd....i hope he turns out great tho because that would mean a top running game to go along with our top passing game....i may be mistaken but doesnt duece have the record for most games in a row with at least 100 yards rushing?....how can u sit that behind a 2nd year player with limited experience...PT will get his touches.....just dont expect him to be starting for us...at least this year

jewagr007 · 05-10-2008, 03:01 PM

Fist off...Canton...I was not refering to Duece. Duece is a machine. i would never talk bad about him in any way.

Next...Pakowitz....Talent is only as good as the sytem in which it is place allows it to be. Reggie Bush is a perfect example. He is a very talented back but he talent was worthless last year because we ran a system that was not the right fit for him. He is no good as an every down back. We all knew that when we signed him (at least most of us did). For the system that was being ran last year at LSU...Hester was the most talented back. The sytem needed a bruiser adn that is what Hester is...so yes...he was the most talented for the system. As far as letting the way he plays influence me...guilty...because at the end of the day...the way a player performs on the field is all that matters.

Combine speed meens jack...field speed meens everything!

papz · 05-10-2008, 03:55 PM

1. Keiland Williams
2. Richard Murphy
3. Charles Scott
4. Jacob Hester

That's how I rank them in talent. Hester was the least talented back but his heart, smarts, instinct, and experience made him the featured back last year. He's solid overall and didn't have a real weakness. Now I wouldn't say we wouldn't have tried all those 4th and 1's last year w/o Hester back there because Scott is a bruiser himself... but I certainly wouldn't have been as comfortable doing those plays w/o him. We don't know if the other backs could or could not do what Hester did because they weren't put into position to do so... that was Jacob's job. But, the other backs certainly were talented enough.

BiggieX · 05-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior.

Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams.

I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.

jewagr007 · 05-13-2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by BiggieX

Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior.

Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams.

I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.

Thanks BiggeX. Finally someone gets it!

05-09-2008, 12:07 PM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Do we need to address the RB position .. it's not that Deuce won't be healthy come opening day, rather how long can he stay healthy. I concur with SFIAH; the Saints offense doesn't revolve around the run. If Colston, Reggie, Meachem (hopefully), Miller/Johnson do their thing, PT and Stecker are more than capable of handling the hand-off .

05-09-2008, 02:05 PM	#2
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Career Stats for Pierre Thomas Rushing Receiving Fumbles Games - 12 Games Started - 1 Att - 52 Yds - 252 Avg - 4.8 Lng - 24 (Touchdown) TD - 0 Rec - 17 Yds - 151 Avg - 8.9 Lng - 17 TD - 1 FUM - 0 Lost - 0 2007 New Orleans Saints And lest we forget that recovered fumble for a touchdown in Seattle, and that 24 yard touchdown scamper against the Falcons. No fumbles, and nearly a 5 yard average....whoever's sleeping on this kid needs to be banned from all football talk until proven intelligent.
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05-09-2008, 03:21 PM	#3
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Do we need to address the RB position yes i am serious.. hester is a good player but he doesnt have the talent that the other 3 players have.. you cant argue that.. he doesnt have the speed or athleticism of any of those guys.. which is my point.. he was starting b/c of the experience.. not b/c of the ability... im a huge LSU fan but you really need to take off the purple n gold glasses
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05-09-2008, 03:25 PM	#4
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position He runs a 4.5 40. That is pretty fast in my book and it was his talent that put him on the field.

05-09-2008, 03:30 PM	#5
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Jacob Hester Combine Results Combine Invite: Yes Height: 5'10" Weight: 226 40 Yrd Dash: 4.61 20 Yrd Dash: 2.65 10 Yrd Dash: 1.50 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23 Vertical Jump: 27 1/2 Broad Jump: 09'03" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.24 3-Cone Drill: 6.85 and i never said he didnt have talent.. i said that the other players are more talented yet less experienced... its really a simple concept... if you really honestly believe that hester has more talent than even 1 of the other 3, then i say u have a man crush on hester b/c he really isnt that athletic of a player, you just let your love for the way he plays influence u
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05-10-2008, 03:50 AM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Do we need to address the RB position jewagr, how can u say that duece is a finesse back?.....he has been there for years for us pulling out hard yards..catching passes...side stepping....he isnt finesse....he was great at doing it all....jacob hester didnt even come to us and to trade duece for a sub-par NFL back at best would be ridiculous...Duece will start this year when he is healthy....because he has earned it...now on the PT subject....i like PT and i hope he does turn out as everyone claims he is....i just dont see it like that right now...i think the depth chart at running back is unaltered from last year to this year....PT didnt prove ne thing to me that aaron stecker and duece didnt.....reggie is different...but thats a different topic...to say that PT should start over duece is absurd....i hope he turns out great tho because that would mean a top running game to go along with our top passing game....i may be mistaken but doesnt duece have the record for most games in a row with at least 100 yards rushing?....how can u sit that behind a 2nd year player with limited experience...PT will get his touches.....just dont expect him to be starting for us...at least this year
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05-10-2008, 03:01 PM	#7
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Fist off...Canton...I was not refering to Duece. Duece is a machine. i would never talk bad about him in any way. Next...Pakowitz....Talent is only as good as the sytem in which it is place allows it to be. Reggie Bush is a perfect example. He is a very talented back but he talent was worthless last year because we ran a system that was not the right fit for him. He is no good as an every down back. We all knew that when we signed him (at least most of us did). For the system that was being ran last year at LSU...Hester was the most talented back. The sytem needed a bruiser adn that is what Hester is...so yes...he was the most talented for the system. As far as letting the way he plays influence me...guilty...because at the end of the day...the way a player performs on the field is all that matters. Combine speed meens jack...field speed meens everything!
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05-10-2008, 03:55 PM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Do we need to address the RB position 1. Keiland Williams 2. Richard Murphy 3. Charles Scott 4. Jacob Hester That's how I rank them in talent. Hester was the least talented back but his heart, smarts, instinct, and experience made him the featured back last year. He's solid overall and didn't have a real weakness. Now I wouldn't say we wouldn't have tried all those 4th and 1's last year w/o Hester back there because Scott is a bruiser himself... but I certainly wouldn't have been as comfortable doing those plays w/o him. We don't know if the other backs could or could not do what Hester did because they weren't put into position to do so... that was Jacob's job. But, the other backs certainly were talented enough.
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05-12-2008, 03:30 PM	#9
BiggieX Rookie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 16	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior. Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title.
	Forget Dominic Rhodes, bring in Alley Broussard!! BiggieX

05-13-2008, 01:58 PM	#10
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: Do we need to address the RB position Originally Posted by BiggieX Jerry Rice didn't run the fastest 40 yd either. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Rice has a huge heart and a love for the game. A true warrior. Does anyone ever remember that Hester only fumbled the ball one time the entire season? Ball security is huge. Additionally does anyone remember Hester running down the Bama CB after an INT? Hester also played special teams. I'm not taking anything away from Williams, Murphy or Scott nor will I compare them. They are all great backs and I look forward to watching them play next season. Obviously Miles knew what he was doing otherwise we would have not won the title. Thanks BiggeX. Finally someone gets it!