Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

skymike · 06-01-2010, 07:37 PM

Whether he "smiled" or not has nothing to do with anything.
What do you want your QB to do after a mistake? Lay down and cry himself to sleep? Bear in mind I loved Hebert, and his passion. But I realize people are different, and have differing ways of dealing.

If those stats are considered that off-tha-charts, then I should change my vote to "yes."

He certainly did display a great deal of talent in his early tenure with the Saints, and he seemed to have most of the tools you need, except, perhaps-- and this is just my opinion-- leadership?

From a talent standpoint, and the rare accomplishment of winning a playoff game for us, I'd have to say yes.

I just dont like the guy, because of his indifference to New Orleans itself after the storm. He went out of his way to say that playing here was just a job, and that he wasnt in any way responsible for the emotional leadership of the Gulf Coast. Contrast that with the statements of Drew Brees, who has accepted his importance to our psyche during good times and bad.

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Whether he "smiled" or not has nothing to do with anything.
What do you want your QB to do after a mistake? Lay down and cry himself to sleep? Bear in mind I loved Hebert, and his passion. But I realize people are different, and have differing ways of dealing.

If those stats are considered that off-tha-charts, then I should change my vote to "yes."

He certainly did display a great deal of talent in his early tenure with the Saints, and he seemed to have most of the tools you need, except, perhaps-- and this is just my opinion-- leadership?

From a talent standpoint, and the rare accomplishment of winning a playoff game for us, I'd have to say yes.

I just dont like the guy, because of his indifference to New Orleans itself after the storm. He went out of his way to say that playing here was just a job, and that he wasnt in any way responsible for the emotional leadership of the Gulf Coast. Contrast that with the statements of Drew Brees, who has accepted his importance to our psyche during good times and bad.

So put SkyMike down for an offhanded Yes.

saintfan · 06-01-2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

It's not as cut and dried as that. We surely had problems on D. But we all (old enogh) saw the lack of focus, silly plays, and lazy demeanor Brooks had during his tenure. Compare that to the way Manning played and Drew currently does. When it comes to Focus, desire, and intensity, guys like Mills, Martin, Jackson, Manning, Breese, and Roaf demonstrated it. Brooks did not.

It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter?

There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better.

FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week.

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

"Zooey Deschanel was not created by normal genetic means. Instead, she is a roving wet dream cut loose from the mind of God and set free to drift through the world of lesser mortals." - Unknown

Dude? Are you serious? We all know who wrote this.

saintfan · 06-01-2010, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Dude? Are you serious? We all know who wrote this.

I didn't write it, God as my witness, even though I WOULD have written it or something similar if I hadn't found it first.

Zooey love. It's what's for dinner.

skymike · 06-01-2010, 08:04 PM

Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her.

This is a good discussion, and a most provocative topic.

Change my answer back to "no," because I reserve the right to consider character and intangibles in my judgement. You cant compare his effort to that of a Rickey Jackson.

Feel free to tell me why I am full O' crap, and I will put it in my hat and smoke it.

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her.

Yea... he wasn't smart enough to write that.

saintfan · 06-01-2010, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Yea... he wasn't smart enough to write that.

I am the bringer of Zooey love to this here forum, and one day I shall be rewarded.

skymike · 06-01-2010, 08:09 PM

you shall indeed, my son. you have served your purpose well.

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 08:09 PM

It's the only reason you got any REP points. LOL

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06-01-2010, 07:37 PM	#51
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Whether he "smiled" or not has nothing to do with anything. What do you want your QB to do after a mistake? Lay down and cry himself to sleep? Bear in mind I loved Hebert, and his passion. But I realize people are different, and have differing ways of dealing. If those stats are considered that off-tha-charts, then I should change my vote to "yes." He certainly did display a great deal of talent in his early tenure with the Saints, and he seemed to have most of the tools you need, except, perhaps-- and this is just my opinion-- leadership? From a talent standpoint, and the rare accomplishment of winning a playoff game for us, I'd have to say yes. I just dont like the guy, because of his indifference to New Orleans itself after the storm. He went out of his way to say that playing here was just a job, and that he wasnt in any way responsible for the emotional leadership of the Gulf Coast. Contrast that with the statements of Drew Brees, who has accepted his importance to our psyche during good times and bad. papz likes this.
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06-01-2010, 07:43 PM	#52
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike Whether he "smiled" or not has nothing to do with anything. What do you want your QB to do after a mistake? Lay down and cry himself to sleep? Bear in mind I loved Hebert, and his passion. But I realize people are different, and have differing ways of dealing. If those stats are considered that off-tha-charts, then I should change my vote to "yes." He certainly did display a great deal of talent in his early tenure with the Saints, and he seemed to have most of the tools you need, except, perhaps-- and this is just my opinion-- leadership? From a talent standpoint, and the rare accomplishment of winning a playoff game for us, I'd have to say yes. I just dont like the guy, because of his indifference to New Orleans itself after the storm. He went out of his way to say that playing here was just a job, and that he wasnt in any way responsible for the emotional leadership of the Gulf Coast. Contrast that with the statements of Drew Brees, who has accepted his importance to our psyche during good times and bad. So put SkyMike down for an offhanded Yes.

06-01-2010, 07:46 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL It's not as cut and dried as that. We surely had problems on D. But we all (old enogh) saw the lack of focus, silly plays, and lazy demeanor Brooks had during his tenure. Compare that to the way Manning played and Drew currently does. When it comes to Focus, desire, and intensity, guys like Mills, Martin, Jackson, Manning, Breese, and Roaf demonstrated it. Brooks did not. It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter? There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better. FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week.
	C'mon Man...

06-01-2010, 07:52 PM	#54
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan "Zooey Deschanel was not created by normal genetic means. Instead, she is a roving wet dream cut loose from the mind of God and set free to drift through the world of lesser mortals." - Unknown Dude? Are you serious? We all know who wrote this.

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06-01-2010, 07:54 PM	#55
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by foreverfan Dude? Are you serious? We all know who wrote this. I didn't write it, God as my witness, even though I WOULD have written it or something similar if I hadn't found it first. Zooey love. It's what's for dinner.

06-01-2010, 08:04 PM	#56
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her. This is a good discussion, and a most provocative topic. Change my answer back to "no," because I reserve the right to consider character and intangibles in my judgement. You cant compare his effort to that of a Rickey Jackson. Feel free to tell me why I am full O' crap, and I will put it in my hat and smoke it.
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06-01-2010, 08:06 PM	#57
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her. Yea... he wasn't smart enough to write that.

06-01-2010, 08:07 PM	#58
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by foreverfan Yea... he wasn't smart enough to write that. I am the bringer of Zooey love to this here forum, and one day I shall be rewarded.

06-01-2010, 08:09 PM	#59
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? you shall indeed, my son. you have served your purpose well.

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