Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

st thomas · 06-01-2010, 11:53 PM

oh i voted no

foreverfan · 06-02-2010, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her.

Yea, but you still brag about doing Rosie O'Donnell.

strato · 06-02-2010, 03:15 AM

Hmmmm..FF looks like you created a firestorm bro..thanks for getting rep yanked from me with your gay poll....magnet huh....

strato · 06-02-2010, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her.

This is a good discussion, and a most provocative topic.

Change my answer back to "no," because I reserve the right to consider character and intangibles in my judgement. You cant compare his effort to that of a Rickey Jackson.

Feel free to tell me why I am full O' crap, and I will put it in my hat and smoke it.

Yeah standin up for what you know is the real deal means a lot..rep for that..gotta be true to ourselves...lol

LBCutta · 06-02-2010, 04:14 AM

Give it to him. What other QB before him didnt anything close to what he did beside Archie?

skymike · 06-02-2010, 07:41 AM

^^^ Holy Crap Look at Those!----SLAAAAAAAAAAAP!

nonono, Baby, I'm talking about Aaron Brooks stats.

Budsdrinker · 06-02-2010, 09:40 AM

I say no. Yes he had talent but could not make the right decision. He could have been just like Donovan Mcnaab if he would have tucked the ball and ran more but he didn't want to. For as talented he was he could have and should have ran out of trouble. He was sacked 235 times and only ran 362 times in his career. And as far as the 2000 playoff win, the defense had 5 turnovers in that game including 2 by Sammy Knight 1 of which was inside the 5 yard line if not mistaken. And by the way Delhomme's record against Brooks is 4-2.

foreverfan · 06-02-2010, 10:03 AM

I think fans remember the two really bad seasons Brooks had (one being Katrina) and forget the solid 4 seasons he did have under OC Mike McCarthy.

The Oakland experience was a joke.

saintfan · 06-02-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I say no. Yes he had talent but could not make the right decision. He could have been just like Donovan Mcnaab if he would have tucked the ball and ran more but he didn't want to. For as talented he was he could have and should have ran out of trouble. He was sacked 235 times and only ran 362 times in his career. And as far as the 2000 playoff win, the defense had 5 turnovers in that game including 2 by Sammy Knight 1 of which was inside the 5 yard line if not mistaken. And by the way Delhomme's record against Brooks is 4-2.

They didn't want him to run. They (McCarthy) wanted him to be a pocket passer. He ran backward...often...because he never or rarely had time to set his feet in the 'pocket', and I use that term loosely because he never had much of one.

Yes, there were turn overs in the Rams game, that Brooks et al turned in to points. Now, if you have a offense averaging nearly 30 points a game and you're 8-8, where do YOU think the problem is? Wanna ask Drew Brees that question? Wanna compare the Defense Jake has with Carolina against the Defense Brooks had while he was in N.O.?

As for his record against Delhomme, what does that have to do with anything? That's just another example of the kind of arguments people used to use and get Brooks off the team, and STILL use in a vain attempt to...well...I'm just not sure what the point in that is any more. Jake was (and is) a one-trick pony, evidenced by his record setting interception totals over the last two years - a by-product of throwing air balls over the middle and locking on to one WR for YEARS. Football is a team sport last time I checked.

iceshack149 · 06-02-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter?

There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better.

FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week.

I'm with you on Brooks being a better option at QB but I was one of the many wanting Delhomme in there when Brooks had that injured arm. I really don't think that he was the better option at the time. I believe that Haslett kept Brooks in there due to stubbornness and in spite of the fans.

I was a Brooks supporter for the majority of his time with the Saints but his apparent indifference and goofy demeanor rubbed me wrong. As I said before, it wasn't only his silly grin it was that I saw absolutely no effort on the sideline after he made a mistake. Of course, I have no idea what happened on the sideline but I saw nothing when the camera showed him.

Similar to Charles Grant; had the talent, got the payday, seemed to have no interest in the Saints.

Hard to know how to vote on this with no real guidelines. Given his stats and the Saints first playoff win I would say yes. Due to the fact that he didn't love the Saints like I did I say no.

I vote yo.

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06-01-2010, 11:53 PM	#71
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? oh i voted no

06-02-2010, 12:27 AM	#72
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her. Yea, but you still brag about doing Rosie O'Donnell.

06-02-2010, 03:15 AM	#73
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Hmmmm..FF looks like you created a firestorm bro..thanks for getting rep yanked from me with your gay poll....magnet huh....
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06-02-2010, 03:33 AM	#74
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by skymike Saintfan is full O' crap about many things, but he is completely right about Zoooey. The girl is an outstanding specimen of womanness. I dont see how any man could not want her. This is a good discussion, and a most provocative topic. Change my answer back to "no," because I reserve the right to consider character and intangibles in my judgement. You cant compare his effort to that of a Rickey Jackson. Feel free to tell me why I am full O' crap, and I will put it in my hat and smoke it. Yeah standin up for what you know is the real deal means a lot..rep for that..gotta be true to ourselves...lol

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06-02-2010, 04:14 AM	#75
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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? I say no. Yes he had talent but could not make the right decision. He could have been just like Donovan Mcnaab if he would have tucked the ball and ran more but he didn't want to. For as talented he was he could have and should have ran out of trouble. He was sacked 235 times and only ran 362 times in his career. And as far as the 2000 playoff win, the defense had 5 turnovers in that game including 2 by Sammy Knight 1 of which was inside the 5 yard line if not mistaken. And by the way Delhomme's record against Brooks is 4-2.

06-02-2010, 10:03 AM	#78
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? I think fans remember the two really bad seasons Brooks had (one being Katrina) and forget the solid 4 seasons he did have under OC Mike McCarthy. The Oakland experience was a joke.

06-02-2010, 11:21 AM	#79
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I say no. Yes he had talent but could not make the right decision. He could have been just like Donovan Mcnaab if he would have tucked the ball and ran more but he didn't want to. For as talented he was he could have and should have ran out of trouble. He was sacked 235 times and only ran 362 times in his career. And as far as the 2000 playoff win, the defense had 5 turnovers in that game including 2 by Sammy Knight 1 of which was inside the 5 yard line if not mistaken. And by the way Delhomme's record against Brooks is 4-2. They didn't want him to run. They (McCarthy) wanted him to be a pocket passer. He ran backward...often...because he never or rarely had time to set his feet in the 'pocket', and I use that term loosely because he never had much of one. Yes, there were turn overs in the Rams game, that Brooks et al turned in to points. Now, if you have a offense averaging nearly 30 points a game and you're 8-8, where do YOU think the problem is? Wanna ask Drew Brees that question? Wanna compare the Defense Jake has with Carolina against the Defense Brooks had while he was in N.O.? As for his record against Delhomme, what does that have to do with anything? That's just another example of the kind of arguments people used to use and get Brooks off the team, and STILL use in a vain attempt to...well...I'm just not sure what the point in that is any more. Jake was (and is) a one-trick pony, evidenced by his record setting interception totals over the last two years - a by-product of throwing air balls over the middle and locking on to one WR for YEARS. Football is a team sport last time I checked.
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06-02-2010, 02:35 PM	#80
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan It isn't that I disagree with the spirit of your post, but then there is no HOF criteria set in stone. Joe Horn left on a bad note for our hated enemy and he's in the Saints HOF (as I believe he should be), so shouldn't that matter? There were some bad plays, but the good FAR outnumbered the bad regardless of the fact that people (some, many, but not all) latched on to them in a way to promote their argument for Delhomme, and everyone can say what they want, 50% of the Brooks hate (likely more) was because we had a local guy at #2 that everyone wanted so badly to believe was better. FACT is Brooks was a talented QB with a sub-standard D, an underachieving O-Line, mediocre WR's, etc. Given a better D and who knows. Had he not been required to run backwards at the immediate snap of the ball more often than not, who knows? In this case, the numbers don't lie. Brooks was not a malcontent. If his numbers warrant it (and I think they do) I don't think he should be kept from the Saints HOF just because he didn't pout and whine after every bad play - I personally like the fact that he laughed it off so many times. It was refreshing when help up against the "Wah wah wah they bumped the WR I always lock on to" crap I saw from Delhomme week after week after week. I'm with you on Brooks being a better option at QB but I was one of the many wanting Delhomme in there when Brooks had that injured arm. I really don't think that he was the better option at the time. I believe that Haslett kept Brooks in there due to stubbornness and in spite of the fans. I was a Brooks supporter for the majority of his time with the Saints but his apparent indifference and goofy demeanor rubbed me wrong. As I said before, it wasn't only his silly grin it was that I saw absolutely no effort on the sideline after he made a mistake. Of course, I have no idea what happened on the sideline but I saw nothing when the camera showed him. Similar to Charles Grant; had the talent, got the payday, seemed to have no interest in the Saints. Hard to know how to vote on this with no real guidelines. Given his stats and the Saints first playoff win I would say yes. Due to the fact that he didn't love the Saints like I did I say no. I vote yo.
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