Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

CantonLegend · 06-01-2010, 04:50 PM

brooks should've made it before joe horn

at least brooks never played for the falcons

saintfan · 06-01-2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

Statistics don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story, nor do they say anything but what you want them to say.

Yes, AB won our first playoff game. Thank you, Jeff Blake, for putting the team into position to get into the playoffs before you got injured. If AB had been the started the whole season, your statistic would have merit. Being a late season sub for Blake, winning a playoff game, and never being able to get us to the playoffs again? Yeah, that's HOF material. NOT.

Oh, and yes, he broke several of Archie's records. Big whoop, Archie and Aaron are polar opposites. Archie was a great QB with crappy stats, and Aaron was a crappy QB with great stats. When Archie played, he didn't have half the talent around him that Ab did, and the game of football ran differently back then. It's not a valid comparison.

Not to mention, yes, AB had lots of 3500+ yard seasons. And just how many of those yards were made during garbage time at the end of a hopelessly lost game? That is why AB was a great Fantasy QB, he couldn't get a win, but he always got the garbage time yards.

How can it be hard to ignore meaningless stats? Here is a stat for you. -1 Rep.

I thought better of you Papz, I truly did.

I believe he is retired and out of football, because no one in the NFL thought he was good enough to simply hold a clipboard and warm a bench with his ass.

It isn't like he wasn't wanted after he left the Saints though. Yes, the only person who would give him a job is the same guy who drafted JaMarcus Russel as the savior of his franchise. The same guy who passed on Crabtree. The guy who make people gag at the sheer stupidity of his personnel decisions. THAT guy thought Aaron Brooks was a good QB.

Well then, maybe we should hold off on his enshrinement and only put GREAT players in our HOF.

Indeed.

Go back and look at ANY season where Brooks was the starter at QB and take a look at our Offensive rankings and points scored, then look at the defense and ask yourself, "was it really the Offense's fault, or Brooks, or might we have been a regular in the playoff hunt IF WE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYBODY?"

HOF or not, either you can recognize where the real problems were with those teams or you cant.

papz · 06-01-2010, 05:17 PM

I thought better of you Papz, I truly did.

On my behalf, it's not my fault we've had such a crappy and pathetic history. In relativity to what we accomplished to that point in time(not what the future brought and will bring to account to what ScottF said), he was one of the best quarterbacks we ever had. I'm just being logical.

I'd also like to point out though Joe Horn turned out to be a very good player, he along with Willie Jackson were far from household names. Brooks had a hand of helping them becoming better players.

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 06:11 PM

Brooks had 17 come from behind victories in his career.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-01-2010, 06:24 PM

This would depend on the criteria for being in our HOF. If the criteria is being one of the top two players statistically at your position qualifies you, then yes. But are our top two statistic LBs, WRs, TEs, CBs, etc all in our HOF (I really don't know).

He certainly has the Saints stats to back it up. But as some pointed out, that is not a great benchmark. Marc Bulger may have more career passing yards than Brooks(again I don't know as I'm on my I phone and don't feel like looking it up). But I doubt anyone would put him on the Rams HOF.

Stats, yes. Legendary impact, heart, and lasting impression/identity with the team and it's fans, no.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-01-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Go back and look at ANY season where Brooks was the starter at QB and take a look at our Offensive rankings and points scored, then look at the defense and ask yourself, "was it really the Offense's fault, or Brooks, or might we have been a regular in the playoff hunt IF WE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYBODY?"

HOF or not, either you can recognize where the real problems were with those teams or you cant.

It's not as cut and dried as that. We surely had problems on D. But we all (old enogh) saw the lack of focus, silly plays, and lazy demeanor Brooks had during his tenure. Compare that to the way Manning played and Drew currently does. When it comes to Focus, desire, and intensity, guys like Mills, Martin, Jackson, Manning, Breese, and Roaf demonstrated it. Brooks did not.

Saint_LB · 06-01-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by papz

On my behalf, it's not my fault we've had such a crappy and pathetic history.

REP's to you, papz, if I could. Gotta spread it around, it says...again.

Anyway, this was tied to my biggest reason. He did what none of the others could do. He admittedly had Blake's help getting in, but he was the QB on the day they won their FIRST playoff game...and AB put a lot of points on the board that day...if I remember right.

Others did have chances to win a playoff game but came up short is all I'm sayin'...

foreverfan · 06-01-2010, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this.

The Mod Nazi's strike again.
Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now
this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it
has kept people interested in the board which was my
intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was
to stomach.

gandhi1007 · 06-01-2010, 07:25 PM

Why is there not a "HELL NO!!!!" choice????

CheramieIII · 06-01-2010, 07:29 PM

HELL NO! and I won't tell you how I really feel!

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06-01-2010, 04:50 PM	#41
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? brooks should've made it before joe horn at least brooks never played for the falcons

06-01-2010, 05:10 PM	#42
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this. Statistics don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story, nor do they say anything but what you want them to say. Yes, AB won our first playoff game. Thank you, Jeff Blake, for putting the team into position to get into the playoffs before you got injured. If AB had been the started the whole season, your statistic would have merit. Being a late season sub for Blake, winning a playoff game, and never being able to get us to the playoffs again? Yeah, that's HOF material. NOT. Oh, and yes, he broke several of Archie's records. Big whoop, Archie and Aaron are polar opposites. Archie was a great QB with crappy stats, and Aaron was a crappy QB with great stats. When Archie played, he didn't have half the talent around him that Ab did, and the game of football ran differently back then. It's not a valid comparison. Not to mention, yes, AB had lots of 3500+ yard seasons. And just how many of those yards were made during garbage time at the end of a hopelessly lost game? That is why AB was a great Fantasy QB, he couldn't get a win, but he always got the garbage time yards. How can it be hard to ignore meaningless stats? Here is a stat for you. -1 Rep. I thought better of you Papz, I truly did. I believe he is retired and out of football, because no one in the NFL thought he was good enough to simply hold a clipboard and warm a bench with his ass. It isn't like he wasn't wanted after he left the Saints though. Yes, the only person who would give him a job is the same guy who drafted JaMarcus Russel as the savior of his franchise. The same guy who passed on Crabtree. The guy who make people gag at the sheer stupidity of his personnel decisions. THAT guy thought Aaron Brooks was a good QB. Well then, maybe we should hold off on his enshrinement and only put GREAT players in our HOF. Indeed. Go back and look at ANY season where Brooks was the starter at QB and take a look at our Offensive rankings and points scored, then look at the defense and ask yourself, "was it really the Offense's fault, or Brooks, or might we have been a regular in the playoff hunt IF WE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYBODY?" HOF or not, either you can recognize where the real problems were with those teams or you cant.

06-01-2010, 05:17 PM	#43
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06-01-2010, 06:11 PM	#44
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06-01-2010, 06:24 PM	#45
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? This would depend on the criteria for being in our HOF. If the criteria is being one of the top two players statistically at your position qualifies you, then yes. But are our top two statistic LBs, WRs, TEs, CBs, etc all in our HOF (I really don't know). He certainly has the Saints stats to back it up. But as some pointed out, that is not a great benchmark. Marc Bulger may have more career passing yards than Brooks(again I don't know as I'm on my I phone and don't feel like looking it up). But I doubt anyone would put him on the Rams HOF. Stats, yes. Legendary impact, heart, and lasting impression/identity with the team and it's fans, no.
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06-01-2010, 06:42 PM	#46
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan Go back and look at ANY season where Brooks was the starter at QB and take a look at our Offensive rankings and points scored, then look at the defense and ask yourself, "was it really the Offense's fault, or Brooks, or might we have been a regular in the playoff hunt IF WE COULD HAVE STOPPED ANYBODY?" HOF or not, either you can recognize where the real problems were with those teams or you cant. It's not as cut and dried as that. We surely had problems on D. But we all (old enogh) saw the lack of focus, silly plays, and lazy demeanor Brooks had during his tenure. Compare that to the way Manning played and Drew currently does. When it comes to Focus, desire, and intensity, guys like Mills, Martin, Jackson, Manning, Breese, and Roaf demonstrated it. Brooks did not.
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06-01-2010, 06:57 PM	#47
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by papz On my behalf, it's not my fault we've had such a crappy and pathetic history. REP's to you, papz, if I could. Gotta spread it around, it says...again. Anyway, this was tied to my biggest reason. He did what none of the others could do. He admittedly had Blake's help getting in, but he was the QB on the day they won their FIRST playoff game...and AB put a lot of points on the board that day...if I remember right. Others did have chances to win a playoff game but came up short is all I'm sayin'...
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06-01-2010, 07:22 PM	#48
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Sorry FF, but you get -1 Rep just for suggesting this. The Mod Nazi's strike again. Why isn't this a perfectly fair question? As of right now this tread has 47 post with 485 views. For a Tuesday, it has kept people interested in the board which was my intention no matter how difficult the subject matter was to stomach.
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