Time for a bit of reality

papz · 10-25-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by xan

While watching that demolition, it occurred to me that we are one missed blocking assignment from being in the same boat as the Colts.

The Irsay management team have gone all in on Manning, giving him a $100 million contract and leaving no room for much else. That team has no depth, no balance and no future. It will be 3-5 years before they can claim enough parts, train enough and establish an identity that can compete at a playoff level.

I'm not going to say that Brees isn't worth $100 million. I am saying we got a huge look through the crystal ball at what our future will be. Brees doesnt even need to get injured, the impending rot will infuse the core and we will be what we have spent 44 years trying to shed.

We MUST find the next Brees and set him up for success. We cannot be certain of avoiding the colts fate, but we have to not repeat their colossal failure to contingency plan. We must lobby Saints management not to go all in on one player. There is NO excuse given the horrifying display last night

I like Chase Daniel. I think he has a future here as a possible successor to Drew down the road. On that note, I've been advocating a quarterback selection with a mid to high round pick to develop so we don't put all our eggs in one basket. The one thing I don't agree on is that we're one injury away from being the Colts. We have more depth and talent than they do. They've historically over the past decade had a average offensive line and a terrible interior line on the defensive side of the ball(where football games are won). Their vets are aging and we plenty of youth and athleticism on both sides sides. If Brees were to go down, I believe this team can hover around being a .500 team. The Colts are 0-7.

halloween 65 · 10-25-2011, 08:04 AM

We are fairly young at most positions. C. Daniels could be the next best thing, he's being schooled by the best thing. The O- line will get 1-2 players younger next year so will the D, my concern is DT and recievers, we have the best recievers in the league, but Payton will always want new toys. A young DT will be a must, I wish we got one last year for S.Rodgers to teach. Got to reload or it's back to the old days,I don't want to be there again.

strato · 10-25-2011, 09:53 AM

Kase Keenam...has Houston 7 and O..can throw 60 times a game if needed.....been following him from the start..i would love to land him in the 3rd..He is Drew all over again..

SmashMouth · 10-25-2011, 10:00 AM

Chase is improving a lot. I won't go out on a limb yet and call him a Drew Brees clone. However, I think Chase is far better then Curtis Painter!

Mardigras9 · 10-25-2011, 10:32 AM

We are two to three years from having to make this decision. For now Chase is good enough.

Rugby Saint II · 10-25-2011, 11:44 AM

I'm a couple of years away from freaking out.

SaintsBro · 10-25-2011, 02:31 PM

The other MAJOR difference between the Colts and the Saints, that cannot be under-estimated, is that the Colts philosophy to win relies entirely on a handful of highly paid and featured "star" players (Manning, Freeney, Brackett, Wayne etc), and then a large chunk of the rest of their whole team is pretty much comprised of undrafted free agents, low draft picks, nobodies, and marginal players at best. On the surface they look a little similar to the Saints, in that way, but there is a BIG difference in WHO they are as a team.

Most of the Colts' current problems aside from the QB position, especially their defensive problems, are really caused by poor coaching and by their front office's lack of good talent evaluation... We've all seen how Payton and Loomis can find incredible "diamonds in the rough," and then they coach and groom them up to being formidable NFL caliber players (Jimmy Graham, anyone?). The Colts may seem like they share a bit of that interest or emphasis on unsung talent, but they CLEARLY lack the coaching and front office vision required to find and nurture those really solid players, to complete the pieces of their team they need around their handful of anointed "stars." THAT is a huge difference.

Enjoy the ride, I say. Drew's future replacement probably has a cute girlfriend and his first car, and is probably playing ball in high school someplace.

homerj07 · 10-25-2011, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Michigan_SF

If the unmentionable happened would Loomis get the QB from our minor league team for season?

Stillone of the best asses ever on your avatar.

I think we need to get a good QB fo thr future - I vote for Russell Wilson!!

Danno · 10-25-2011, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Stillone of the best asses ever on your avatar.

You do know you can get your fill of porn on numerous other sites huh?

Euphoria · 10-25-2011, 10:00 PM

Cots believe in getting in shoot outs.

With the Colts offense, they can force teams to throw to keep up with them and so they were able to get a pretty good pass rush to off set that.

Its kind of hard to do with Manning out.

Next year they will be the most improved team in the league, hand down.

Most teams would do anything to have the problem of having to pay their franchise QB 20 million a year.

10-25-2011, 08:03 AM	#21
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Originally Posted by xan While watching that demolition, it occurred to me that we are one missed blocking assignment from being in the same boat as the Colts. The Irsay management team have gone all in on Manning, giving him a $100 million contract and leaving no room for much else. That team has no depth, no balance and no future. It will be 3-5 years before they can claim enough parts, train enough and establish an identity that can compete at a playoff level. I'm not going to say that Brees isn't worth $100 million. I am saying we got a huge look through the crystal ball at what our future will be. Brees doesnt even need to get injured, the impending rot will infuse the core and we will be what we have spent 44 years trying to shed. We MUST find the next Brees and set him up for success. We cannot be certain of avoiding the colts fate, but we have to not repeat their colossal failure to contingency plan. We must lobby Saints management not to go all in on one player. There is NO excuse given the horrifying display last night I like Chase Daniel. I think he has a future here as a possible successor to Drew down the road. On that note, I've been advocating a quarterback selection with a mid to high round pick to develop so we don't put all our eggs in one basket. The one thing I don't agree on is that we're one injury away from being the Colts. We have more depth and talent than they do. They've historically over the past decade had a average offensive line and a terrible interior line on the defensive side of the ball(where football games are won). Their vets are aging and we plenty of youth and athleticism on both sides sides. If Brees were to go down, I believe this team can hover around being a .500 team. The Colts are 0-7.
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10-25-2011, 09:06 PM	#28
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by Michigan_SF If the unmentionable happened would Loomis get the QB from our minor league team for season? Stillone of the best asses ever on your avatar. I think we need to get a good QB fo thr future - I vote for Russell Wilson!!

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	We are fairly young at most positions. C. Daniels could be the next best thing, he's being schooled by the best thing. The O- line will get 1-2 players younger next year so will the D, my concern is DT and recievers, we have the best recievers in the league, but Payton will always want new toys. A young DT will be a must, I wish we got one last year for S.Rodgers to teach. Got to reload or it's back to the old days,I don't want to be there again.

10-25-2011, 09:53 AM	#23
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Kase Keenam...has Houston 7 and O..can throw 60 times a game if needed.....been following him from the start..i would love to land him in the 3rd..He is Drew all over again..

10-25-2011, 10:00 AM	#24
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,958 Blog Entries: 29	Chase is improving a lot. I won't go out on a limb yet and call him a Drew Brees clone. However, I think Chase is far better then Curtis Painter!

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	We are two to three years from having to make this decision. For now Chase is good enough.

10-25-2011, 02:31 PM	#27
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	The other MAJOR difference between the Colts and the Saints, that cannot be under-estimated, is that the Colts philosophy to win relies entirely on a handful of highly paid and featured "star" players (Manning, Freeney, Brackett, Wayne etc), and then a large chunk of the rest of their whole team is pretty much comprised of undrafted free agents, low draft picks, nobodies, and marginal players at best. On the surface they look a little similar to the Saints, in that way, but there is a BIG difference in WHO they are as a team. Most of the Colts' current problems aside from the QB position, especially their defensive problems, are really caused by poor coaching and by their front office's lack of good talent evaluation... We've all seen how Payton and Loomis can find incredible "diamonds in the rough," and then they coach and groom them up to being formidable NFL caliber players (Jimmy Graham, anyone?). The Colts may seem like they share a bit of that interest or emphasis on unsung talent, but they CLEARLY lack the coaching and front office vision required to find and nurture those really solid players, to complete the pieces of their team they need around their handful of anointed "stars." THAT is a huge difference. Enjoy the ride, I say. Drew's future replacement probably has a cute girlfriend and his first car, and is probably playing ball in high school someplace.

10-25-2011, 10:00 PM	#30
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Cots believe in getting in shoot outs. With the Colts offense, they can force teams to throw to keep up with them and so they were able to get a pretty good pass rush to off set that. Its kind of hard to do with Manning out. Next year they will be the most improved team in the league, hand down. Most teams would do anything to have the problem of having to pay their franchise QB 20 million a year.