G. Williams Audio - Wow...

W. Kovacs · 04-05-2012, 08:30 AM

Released the day of Payton's appeal.

Warning: Major profanity (not in the article, but in the audio)

Report: Former New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams ordered players to injure 49ers players - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com

Speedy Ron · 04-05-2012, 08:40 AM

that cant be good

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

that cant be good

That's not good for Williams. It actually helps the case of players and Sean Payton. The players were under explicit orders from the defensive coach, who claims total autonomy in running the defense, to do what they are accused of doing. They were clearly coerced with the threat of losing their jobs. The claim of autonomy supports Payton's claim of not knowing what was going on even as he took blame for it happening under his watch.

NuNu318 · 04-05-2012, 08:56 AM

Honestly this looks worse for GW than the Saints. SP (doubt his year will be reduced) and the players (probably will get their suspensions by next week) already have been punished. Why even leak the audio? I don't care about this...This kinda stuff believe it or not is said in EVERY football locker room. Not saying its right and that its not disturbing but it is what it is.

This is nothing more than a PR move to get everyone as angry as they were when they first heard about the bounties. Because if you haven't noticed it had kind of died down a little. Everytime something came the Saints would counter with a big signing that no one thought we had enough cap space to make. The most likely hiring of Parcells as interim coach had people talking about that instead of bounties....you think the NFL appreciates that..NO. So they figure hey we'll leak this so we can continue to make it seem like the Saints are the most evil organization in the world. And because this audio seems to be so damning...the only way to counter is to do 1 of 2 things....sign Brees or get Parcells. In a perfect world they would do both at the same time.

Mardigras9 · 04-05-2012, 08:58 AM

On film too? Brain Surgeon.

SaintsRule11 · 04-05-2012, 09:03 AM

Ironically, our defense didn't do crap during this game. Not only did we not injure anyone, we gave up 36 points to stupid Alex Smith!

I'm glad Gregg Williams is gone. And to be honest, I did notice some things in games that were a direct result of Williams that I didn't enjoy watching to put it mildly. I hope Spags and the new linebackers can bring some basic tackling back to our team.

NuNu318 · 04-05-2012, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11

Ironically, our defense didn't do crap during this game. Not only did we not injure anyone, we gave up 36 points to stupid Alex Smith!

I'm glad Gregg Williams is gone. And to be honest, I did notice some things in games that were a direct result of Williams that I didn't enjoy watching to put it mildly. I hope Spags and the new linebackers can bring some basic tackling back to our team.

The last 4 minutes of that game was the direct result of Williams. I'm sorry but a 12 yr old could call a better defense after your Offense won the game for you TWICE. The guy called a blitz seems like every single play instead of playing total coverage to make sure they didn't get in the endzone. He blitzed after Sproles caught the first TD to put us up by 4. Then instead of LEARNING from the mistake he made the first time HE DID IT AGAIN! I'm sorry but.....it just makes me so angry that Brees had 2 of his defining moments (you can't tell me that those last 2 TDs wouldn't have been on his HOF highlight reel) pissed away by his DC.

W. Kovacs · 04-05-2012, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by NuNu318

The last 4 minutes of that game was the direct result of Williams. I'm sorry but a 12 yr old could call a better defense after your Offense won the game for you TWICE. The guy called a blitz seems like every single play instead of playing total coverage to make sure they didn't get in the endzone. He blitzed after Sproles caught the first TD to put us up by 4. Then instead of LEARNING from the mistake he made the first time HE DID IT AGAIN! I'm sorry but.....it just makes me so angry that Brees had 2 of his defining moments (you can't tell me that those last 2 TDs wouldn't have been on his HOF highlight reel) pissed away by his DC.

I couldn't agree with this more. It's one of the reasons why that loss still stings today almost as badly as it did the day it happened.

Halo · 04-05-2012, 09:28 AM

...Silver got the information from filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who had access to team meetings and functions while working on a documentary on former Saints player Steve Gleason, who's currently battling ALS. More injurious to the Saints' appeals: According to several reports, the team was warned by the league just two weeks before to stop any intent or mention of bounty practices. It is not yet known whether the NFL became aware of Williams' speech during their investigation.

From the Silver story and the audio you can hear here (Warning: it's NSFW -- pretty profane stuff), here's Williams on 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, with after he trots out his old "Kill the head and the body will die" favorite:

"We hit [expletive] Smith right there' — then he points under his chin [and continues] — 'remember me.' Then he rubs his thumb against his index and middle fingers — the cash sign — and says, 'I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that [expletive] out."

That's Pamphilon claiming that Williams used the cash sign. Then, Williams on 49ers running back Frank Gore:

"We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways."

Williams on 49ers running back Kendall Hunter:

"Little 32, we want to knock the [expletive] out of him. He has no idea what he's in for. When he's on the sideline, we've gotta turn that [expletive] over, turn their coaches over, turn the spectators over. Go and get that [expletive] on the sidelines."

GREAT STUFF, BUT THE ONLY ILLEGAL HIT IN THE GAME WAS PUT ON PIERRE THOMAS!

Why is Sean Payton completely responsible for this?

Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S.

|Mitch| · 04-05-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S.

This!

04-05-2012, 08:30 AM	#1
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04-05-2012, 09:02 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Originally Posted by Speedy Ron that cant be good That's not good for Williams. It actually helps the case of players and Sean Payton. The players were under explicit orders from the defensive coach, who claims total autonomy in running the defense, to do what they are accused of doing. They were clearly coerced with the threat of losing their jobs. The claim of autonomy supports Payton's claim of not knowing what was going on even as he took blame for it happening under his watch. Halo likes this.

04-05-2012, 08:56 AM	#4
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Honestly this looks worse for GW than the Saints. SP (doubt his year will be reduced) and the players (probably will get their suspensions by next week) already have been punished. Why even leak the audio? I don't care about this...This kinda stuff believe it or not is said in EVERY football locker room. Not saying its right and that its not disturbing but it is what it is. This is nothing more than a PR move to get everyone as angry as they were when they first heard about the bounties. Because if you haven't noticed it had kind of died down a little. Everytime something came the Saints would counter with a big signing that no one thought we had enough cap space to make. The most likely hiring of Parcells as interim coach had people talking about that instead of bounties....you think the NFL appreciates that..NO. So they figure hey we'll leak this so we can continue to make it seem like the Saints are the most evil organization in the world. And because this audio seems to be so damning...the only way to counter is to do 1 of 2 things....sign Brees or get Parcells. In a perfect world they would do both at the same time. Halo, iceshack149, SaintsRule11 and 2 others like this.

04-05-2012, 09:03 AM	#6
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	Ironically, our defense didn't do crap during this game. Not only did we not injure anyone, we gave up 36 points to stupid Alex Smith! I'm glad Gregg Williams is gone. And to be honest, I did notice some things in games that were a direct result of Williams that I didn't enjoy watching to put it mildly. I hope Spags and the new linebackers can bring some basic tackling back to our team. Ashley likes this.
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04-05-2012, 09:12 AM	#7
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 Ironically, our defense didn't do crap during this game. Not only did we not injure anyone, we gave up 36 points to stupid Alex Smith! I'm glad Gregg Williams is gone. And to be honest, I did notice some things in games that were a direct result of Williams that I didn't enjoy watching to put it mildly. I hope Spags and the new linebackers can bring some basic tackling back to our team. The last 4 minutes of that game was the direct result of Williams. I'm sorry but a 12 yr old could call a better defense after your Offense won the game for you TWICE. The guy called a blitz seems like every single play instead of playing total coverage to make sure they didn't get in the endzone. He blitzed after Sproles caught the first TD to put us up by 4. Then instead of LEARNING from the mistake he made the first time HE DID IT AGAIN! I'm sorry but.....it just makes me so angry that Brees had 2 of his defining moments (you can't tell me that those last 2 TDs wouldn't have been on his HOF highlight reel) pissed away by his DC. spkb25 and 73Saint like this.

04-05-2012, 08:40 AM	#2
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04-05-2012, 09:17 AM	#8
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Originally Posted by NuNu318 The last 4 minutes of that game was the direct result of Williams. I'm sorry but a 12 yr old could call a better defense after your Offense won the game for you TWICE. The guy called a blitz seems like every single play instead of playing total coverage to make sure they didn't get in the endzone. He blitzed after Sproles caught the first TD to put us up by 4. Then instead of LEARNING from the mistake he made the first time HE DID IT AGAIN! I'm sorry but.....it just makes me so angry that Brees had 2 of his defining moments (you can't tell me that those last 2 TDs wouldn't have been on his HOF highlight reel) pissed away by his DC. I couldn't agree with this more. It's one of the reasons why that loss still stings today almost as badly as it did the day it happened. spkb25 likes this.

04-05-2012, 09:28 AM	#9
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	...Silver got the information from filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who had access to team meetings and functions while working on a documentary on former Saints player Steve Gleason, who's currently battling ALS. More injurious to the Saints' appeals: According to several reports, the team was warned by the league just two weeks before to stop any intent or mention of bounty practices. It is not yet known whether the NFL became aware of Williams' speech during their investigation. From the Silver story and the audio you can hear here (Warning: it's NSFW -- pretty profane stuff), here's Williams on 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, with after he trots out his old "Kill the head and the body will die" favorite: "We hit [expletive] Smith right there' — then he points under his chin [and continues] — 'remember me.' Then he rubs his thumb against his index and middle fingers — the cash sign — and says, 'I got the first one. I got the first one. Go get it. Go lay that [expletive] out." That's Pamphilon claiming that Williams used the cash sign. Then, Williams on 49ers running back Frank Gore: "We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways." Williams on 49ers running back Kendall Hunter: "Little 32, we want to knock the [expletive] out of him. He has no idea what he's in for. When he's on the sideline, we've gotta turn that [expletive] over, turn their coaches over, turn the spectators over. Go and get that [expletive] on the sidelines." GREAT STUFF, BUT THE ONLY ILLEGAL HIT IN THE GAME WAS PUT ON PIERRE THOMAS! Why is Sean Payton completely responsible for this? Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S. spkb25, SmashMouth, \|Mitch\| and 1 others like this.
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04-05-2012, 09:39 AM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by Halo Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S. This! spkb25 and QBREES9 like this.

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