Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it...

Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

Budsdrinker · 10-02-2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it...

Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are!

9thWardDesire · 10-05-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run....

Danno · 10-02-2012, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.

Last two games combined...

Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average
Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average

And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

TheOak · 10-02-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Last two games combined...

Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average
Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average

And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

Danno · 10-02-2012, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

I like your wording better.

halloween 65 · 10-07-2012, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

O.K. Pierre is not, but Ivory is and gets more yds than Ingram so why is Ingram starting over Ivory. I like Ingram but sometimes when the D gives you nothing you have to take it on yourself to create something, I don't see that in Ingram even if he was in the 49ers backfield, now Ivory in the 49ers backfield a pro bowler. Heart goes a long way. I wanted Leshoure over Ingram a Chuck Muncie style of runner he fits uor system much better than Ingram. Ingram in the Giants backfield{more balanced} 1200yds every year, unless we become a running team Ingram yds just aint' going to be there, so if someone says he was a waisted pick I would agree but if someone says he is a bust I would dissagee, miscast is what Mark Ingram is.

papz · 10-02-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.

I'm the opposite. It's the system for me.

I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back.

Danno · 10-02-2012, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm the opposite. It's the system for me.

I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back.

System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built?

Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms.

papz · 10-02-2012, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built?

Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms.

A combination of all of that. My original wording actually had all three terms in it. So I do think we're on the same page.

I do however believe our line is very strong at run blocking... we just aren't doing it with consistency. With everything, it's all about rythmn and we aren't allowing them to get in their groove. We know this line can run block... it's the same one from last year. Unfortunately for Ingram, this game is all about opportunity. Yes, I think he can be a 1,000 rusher here... he just won't have opportunity to do so.

10-02-2012, 08:19 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this. Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it... Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL.

10-02-2012, 08:24 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Which I have stated in this thread... And many others... I even posted the stats last week proving it... Info coming round full circle, at least I know my posts are being read LOL. I read everybody's comments, just sometimes I forget who posts them and too lazy to go back to give them the credit but you know who you are! SaintsBro likes this.

10-05-2012, 01:07 PM	#3
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this. The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run.... Rell&Gold likes this.

10-02-2012, 08:26 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line... PT can do it. Last two games combined... Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does.

10-02-2012, 08:28 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno Last two games combined... Ingram - 10 carries, 22 yards 2.2 average Pierre - 15 carries, 25 yards, 1.8 average And as others have said, PT is one of the best RB's in the entire league. And Pierre is used more as a receiver and also on passing downs. PT doesn't face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram does. Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is

10-02-2012, 08:30 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is I like your wording better.

10-07-2012, 07:29 AM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ill flip it on you. Pierre is not put in to face as many 8 man fronts as Ingram is O.K. Pierre is not, but Ivory is and gets more yds than Ingram so why is Ingram starting over Ivory. I like Ingram but sometimes when the D gives you nothing you have to take it on yourself to create something, I don't see that in Ingram even if he was in the 49ers backfield, now Ivory in the 49ers backfield a pro bowler. Heart goes a long way. I wanted Leshoure over Ingram a Chuck Muncie style of runner he fits uor system much better than Ingram. Ingram in the Giants backfield{more balanced} 1200yds every year, unless we become a running team Ingram yds just aint' going to be there, so if someone says he was a waisted pick I would agree but if someone says he is a bust I would dissagee, miscast is what Mark Ingram is.

10-02-2012, 08:09 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all. Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily. I'm the opposite. It's the system for me. I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back.

10-02-2012, 08:29 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by papz I'm the opposite. It's the system for me. I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back. System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built? Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms.

10-02-2012, 09:00 AM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built? Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms. A combination of all of that. My original wording actually had all three terms in it. So I do think we're on the same page. I do however believe our line is very strong at run blocking... we just aren't doing it with consistency. With everything, it's all about rythmn and we aren't allowing them to get in their groove. We know this line can run block... it's the same one from last year. Unfortunately for Ingram, this game is all about opportunity. Yes, I think he can be a 1,000 rusher here... he just won't have opportunity to do so.
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