Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive

Tobias-Reiper · 10-23-2012, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Can't agree with you on that. All it would have taken is one finger on the ball by any defender and that would have been a TD. Jenkins showed you never give up on a play no matter what. It's the one time I'm glad our defense didn't have their hands up and possibly tip that ball.

He didn't necessarily have to give up on the play, just not wave his hands to the QB as if saying "I'm open" because he should've known he wasn't eligible to touch the ball first; rather, since the QB was running, he could've blocked someone to clear space for another receiver to make the play, or clear a path for the ball carrier.

But really, at that point, in that situation, after being pushed out of bounds and knowing the rule, taking yourself out of the play is the smart thing to do. It has nothing to do with lack of effort.

Danno · 10-23-2012, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I thought the calls heavily favored the Bucs. Between the interception they clearly took from us, which led to a Tampa touchdown, and I believe it was on their last touchdown drive that the refs kept making bogus calls on third and 4th downs, including an illegal contact call on an incomplete pass that turned 4th and 25 into an automatic first down. The Suckaneers have no right to whine.

True, if the game was called exactly correct, we win by 3 scores.

SaintsBro · 10-23-2012, 09:29 AM

I think in that situation it's a lot easier for a defender to remember the rules and have game awareness than the receiver, who by that point is just running around trying desperately to make a play. Which is kind of exactly what I think happened there.

burningmetal · 10-23-2012, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Nope... The WR should have known and taken him self out. QB cant see feet that far away to know if he was in or out.

The WR should have let the QB know he was ineligible.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's referring to the FG attempt, which is what the headline refers to.

TheOak · 10-23-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I think in that situation it's a lot easier for a defender to remember the rules and have game awareness than the receiver, who by that point is just running around trying desperately to make a play. Which is kind of exactly what I think happened there.

In contrast... two of the most important things a receiver should ALWAYS know? Where your feet are, and where the line is.

burningmetal · 10-23-2012, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

In contrast... two of the most important things a receiver should ALWAYS know? Where your feet are, and where the line is.

Agreed. If you're a receiver, you simply cannot forget that rule or just plain not know where you are. Receivers make circus-tight roping catches along the sidelines all the time. They know where they are, so for Williams to not know that is pretty sad. But it was absolutely the right call, and if he doesn't run out of bounds he never would have gotten so open, because the defender already knew his man was out of the play.

10-23-2012, 09:25 AM	#21
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Can't agree with you on that. All it would have taken is one finger on the ball by any defender and that would have been a TD. Jenkins showed you never give up on a play no matter what. It's the one time I'm glad our defense didn't have their hands up and possibly tip that ball. He didn't necessarily have to give up on the play, just not wave his hands to the QB as if saying "I'm open" because he should've known he wasn't eligible to touch the ball first; rather, since the QB was running, he could've blocked someone to clear space for another receiver to make the play, or clear a path for the ball carrier. But really, at that point, in that situation, after being pushed out of bounds and knowing the rule, taking yourself out of the play is the smart thing to do. It has nothing to do with lack of effort.
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10-23-2012, 09:28 AM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,648	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive Originally Posted by burningmetal I thought the calls heavily favored the Bucs. Between the interception they clearly took from us, which led to a Tampa touchdown, and I believe it was on their last touchdown drive that the refs kept making bogus calls on third and 4th downs, including an illegal contact call on an incomplete pass that turned 4th and 25 into an automatic first down. The Suckaneers have no right to whine. True, if the game was called exactly correct, we win by 3 scores.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive I think in that situation it's a lot easier for a defender to remember the rules and have game awareness than the receiver, who by that point is just running around trying desperately to make a play. Which is kind of exactly what I think happened there.

10-23-2012, 09:37 AM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,906 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive Originally Posted by x626xBlack Nope... The WR should have known and taken him self out. QB cant see feet that far away to know if he was in or out. The WR should have let the QB know he was ineligible. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's referring to the FG attempt, which is what the headline refers to.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive Originally Posted by SaintsBro I think in that situation it's a lot easier for a defender to remember the rules and have game awareness than the receiver, who by that point is just running around trying desperately to make a play. Which is kind of exactly what I think happened there. In contrast... two of the most important things a receiver should ALWAYS know? Where your feet are, and where the line is.

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10-23-2012, 09:47 AM	#26
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,906 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive Originally Posted by x626xBlack In contrast... two of the most important things a receiver should ALWAYS know? Where your feet are, and where the line is. Agreed. If you're a receiver, you simply cannot forget that rule or just plain not know where you are. Receivers make circus-tight roping catches along the sidelines all the time. They know where they are, so for Williams to not know that is pretty sad. But it was absolutely the right call, and if he doesn't run out of bounds he never would have gotten so open, because the defender already knew his man was out of the play.

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