Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Danno · 02-20-2013, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know?

So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot?

Are you kidding me?

papz · 02-20-2013, 12:15 PM

Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel.

So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it.

Danno · 02-20-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel.

So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it.

Agreed, and just imagine how talented we'd be if we drafted as well as all the other things we do.

papz · 02-20-2013, 12:31 PM

Hopefully we'll get it done this year. We know one thing for sure, Loomis/Payton should be as hungry as ever.

QBREES9 · 02-20-2013, 01:41 PM

Its all a crap shoot.

TheOak · 02-20-2013, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.

Drafts matter, but you can't slap am accurate grade on a draft for a minimum of 3 years. It's guessing before that.

Then some draft picks tank for their draft team and do great at their second team....

saintfan · 02-20-2013, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot?

Are you kidding me?

Nobody hits on all their pics year in and year out. Nobody. The best guys often fail, and the nobody's succeed enough - even the non-drafted ones - to make my case. It's a crap shoot.

hagan714 · 02-20-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Obviously none of us know what its like in the draft rooms but there are some serious questions with our recent drafting skills

Patrick Robinson - 1st round when he wasn't even the best CB on his team
Usama young - 2nd round WTF!!

Usama is playing better than any safety or CB we had on the field in 2012
Usama Young, DB for the Cleveland Browns at NFL.com

thats bad. he is a solid nicle and dime CB. pick was a bit high

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Something needs to change with our draft strategy, cuz it aint working

Rugby Saint II · 02-20-2013, 01:55 PM

Whoever scouts the large universities only has an eye for offense. Bite the bullet and bring in a defensive guy and let them both scout. They definitely need new talent evaluators on defense. Maybe we should be shopping for guys that fit our system. Do the scouts even know if a player played in a 4-3 or 3-4? It's been said here before.....square peg round hole.

Danno · 02-20-2013, 02:12 PM

So I'll put down Saintfan, Oak and QBREES on record claiming that draft success doesn't matter.

This will be a lot of fun for the next several weeks.

02-20-2013, 12:09 PM	#21
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by saintfan IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know? So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot? Are you kidding me?

02-20-2013, 12:15 PM	#22
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel. So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it. Danno likes this.

02-20-2013, 12:17 PM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by papz Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel. So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it. Agreed, and just imagine how talented we'd be if we drafted as well as all the other things we do.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,753	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Hopefully we'll get it done this year. We know one thing for sure, Loomis/Payton should be as hungry as ever.

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02-20-2013, 01:49 PM	#26
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Originally Posted by Danno So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players? Do you think the draft matters at all? If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter? I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter. Drafts matter, but you can't slap am accurate grade on a draft for a minimum of 3 years. It's guessing before that. Then some draft picks tank for their draft team and do great at their second team....

02-20-2013, 01:53 PM	#27
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Danno So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot? Are you kidding me? Nobody hits on all their pics year in and year out. Nobody. The best guys often fail, and the nobody's succeed enough - even the non-drafted ones - to make my case. It's a crap shoot. K Major likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Obviously none of us know what its like in the draft rooms but there are some serious questions with our recent drafting skills Patrick Robinson - 1st round when he wasn't even the best CB on his team Usama young - 2nd round WTF!! Usama is playing better than any safety or CB we had on the field in 2012 Usama Young, DB for the Cleveland Browns at NFL.com thats bad. he is a solid nicle and dime CB. pick was a bit high Originally Posted by dizzle88 Something needs to change with our draft strategy, cuz it aint working
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Whoever scouts the large universities only has an eye for offense. Bite the bullet and bring in a defensive guy and let them both scout. They definitely need new talent evaluators on defense. Maybe we should be shopping for guys that fit our system. Do the scouts even know if a player played in a 4-3 or 3-4? It's been said here before.....square peg round hole.

02-20-2013, 02:12 PM	#30
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? So I'll put down Saintfan, Oak and QBREES on record claiming that draft success doesn't matter. This will be a lot of fun for the next several weeks.

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