Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

Danno · 02-20-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Tom Brady drafted in sixth round
Jamarcus Russell first round fail
Dan Marino 6th QB drafted

Drafts do not amount to squat.

So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.

saintfan · 02-20-2013, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.

IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know?

Danno · 02-20-2013, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know?

So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot?

Are you kidding me?

saintfan · 02-20-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot?

Are you kidding me?

Nobody hits on all their pics year in and year out. Nobody. The best guys often fail, and the nobody's succeed enough - even the non-drafted ones - to make my case. It's a crap shoot.

papz · 02-20-2013, 11:15 AM

Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel.

So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it.

Danno · 02-20-2013, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel.

So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it.

Agreed, and just imagine how talented we'd be if we drafted as well as all the other things we do.

papz · 02-20-2013, 11:31 AM

Hopefully we'll get it done this year. We know one thing for sure, Loomis/Payton should be as hungry as ever.

QBREES9 · 02-20-2013, 12:41 PM

Its all a crap shoot.

TheOak · 02-20-2013, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players?

Do you think the draft matters at all?

If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter?

I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.

Drafts matter, but you can't slap am accurate grade on a draft for a minimum of 3 years. It's guessing before that.

Then some draft picks tank for their draft team and do great at their second team....

Rugby Saint II · 02-20-2013, 12:55 PM

Whoever scouts the large universities only has an eye for offense. Bite the bullet and bring in a defensive guy and let them both scout. They definitely need new talent evaluators on defense. Maybe we should be shopping for guys that fit our system. Do the scouts even know if a player played in a 4-3 or 3-4? It's been said here before.....square peg round hole.

02-20-2013, 10:47 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by TheOak Tom Brady drafted in sixth round Jamarcus Russell first round fail Dan Marino 6th QB drafted Drafts do not amount to squat. So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players? Do you think the draft matters at all? If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter? I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter.

02-20-2013, 10:53 AM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Danno So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players? Do you think the draft matters at all? If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter? I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter. IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know? K Major likes this.

02-20-2013, 11:09 AM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by saintfan IMO it's like gambling in Vegas. Sure, they guy who completely understands black jack is better equipped to NOT lose all his money, but it's still a crap shoot you know? So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot? Are you kidding me?

02-20-2013, 12:53 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Danno So are you saying draft success year in and year out is irrelevant because its a crap shoot? Are you kidding me? Nobody hits on all their pics year in and year out. Nobody. The best guys often fail, and the nobody's succeed enough - even the non-drafted ones - to make my case. It's a crap shoot. K Major likes this.

02-20-2013, 11:15 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel. So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it. Danno likes this.

02-20-2013, 11:17 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by papz Honestly, I wasn't even aware whether either had a good reputation drafting from the public eye. We've had some big mid/lower round hits... but certainly our fair share of misses and lack of homeruns at the top end. I've always associated Payton as a great offensive mind and Loomis to be a great capologist... but neither as an excellent evaluator of player personnel. So personally, do I view them as good as their draft reputation? No. It's been kinda average. But our system and ability to negoitiate makes up for it. Agreed, and just imagine how talented we'd be if we drafted as well as all the other things we do.

02-20-2013, 11:31 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Hopefully we'll get it done this year. We know one thing for sure, Loomis/Payton should be as hungry as ever.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Its all a crap shoot.

02-20-2013, 12:49 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Originally Posted by Danno So you don't think some teams are better than others at drafting players? Do you think the draft matters at all? If all 6 of our draft picks fail to even make the team next year, does that amount to anything? If that happens 6 years in a row does it matter? I'm of the opinion that drafts do matter. Drafts matter, but you can't slap am accurate grade on a draft for a minimum of 3 years. It's guessing before that. Then some draft picks tank for their draft team and do great at their second team....

02-20-2013, 12:55 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Whoever scouts the large universities only has an eye for offense. Bite the bullet and bring in a defensive guy and let them both scout. They definitely need new talent evaluators on defense. Maybe we should be shopping for guys that fit our system. Do the scouts even know if a player played in a 4-3 or 3-4? It's been said here before.....square peg round hole.

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