Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation?

saintfan · 02-20-2013, 02:57 PM

One of the better teams at drafting drafted one of if not the biggest busts in the history of the draft. It happens every year. The numbers lean so heavily in favor of 'gamble' it's insane. It's not even debatable really.

halloween 65 · 02-20-2013, 03:02 PM

Well crap shoot or crap sh!t I hope we hit a homerun on a DT this draft!!

saintfan · 02-20-2013, 03:20 PM

Oh and by the way, guess who drafted all these guys:

Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Darrell Green, Charles Mann, and Gary Clark.

The same guy who drafted this guy:

Oh yeah - crap shoot. An exact science it surely ain't.

RaginCajun83 · 02-20-2013, 05:21 PM

Leaf had bust written all over him leading up to the draft but the Chargers were so desperate for a QB and media hype didn't help things. Doesn't matter that he's 1A or 1B when it comes to busts, he's still one of my favorite sound bytes "Knock it off, don't talk to me" that's PR 101

RaginCajun83 · 02-20-2013, 05:24 PM

Back on topic .... I'm seen guys that I've wanted the Saints to draft (J Patrick) and see them fail miserably and seen guys (T Porter) gives us the greatest moment in the history of the franchise. Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed

Seer1 · 02-20-2013, 05:38 PM

Do they really have much of a draft reputation? Seems to me their shining moments come about in other areas than the draft.

Danno · 02-20-2013, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Do they really have much of a draft reputation? Seems to me their shining moments come about in other areas than the draft.

I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006

Seer1 · 02-20-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006

I think I may have said that and I blame the martinis as my wife's out of town so can't shoulder any of it. I guess my perception is that we do much better in the middle and end of the draft than we do at the beginning. I don't have any numbers to prove it, but I'm thinking we pretty much suck at the draft in comparison to most of the other top teams.

Danno · 02-20-2013, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

I think I may have said that and I blame the martinis as my wife's out of town so can't shoulder any of it. I guess my perception is that we do much better in the middle and end of the draft than we do at the beginning. I don't have any numbers to prove it, but I'm thinking we pretty much suck at the draft in comparison to most of the other top teams.

No prob, I think we all thought that until recently. The 2009 draft opened my eyes. Could be the worst draft in Saint history. I truly think drawing names out of a hat would have yielded better results than that debacle.

2007 ain't much to brag about either. And with the exception of Graham, 2010 ain't looking so hot either unless P-Rob comes around.

jeanpierre · 02-20-2013, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Saints are an offensive football team so of course the scouts would find more talent on that side of the ball and not so much on defense. Look at the Steelers, they have hit on a bunch of defensive players but have struck out on offensive and offensive linemen like its going out of style

QB Ben Roethlisberger, C Maurkice Pouncey, G/T Willie Colon (Hofstra), WR Antonio Brown, WR Mike Wallace, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RT Max Starks - Ragin you;re aching brother, cause the Steelers get it done on both sides of the ball and that's why they get perennial consideration...

Originally Posted by Danno

I suddenly have a feeling several of you bastads are just jerking my chain.

We give as good as we get Bama Lover!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't know. Atlanta appears to have just as many misses as we have since 2006.

F*** the Clowns, we know we're better; it's Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Fran that we want comparable drafts...

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed

Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members!

Originally Posted by Danno

I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006

Actually, Hagan (sorry Bro, gotta drag you in with me) and I have been banging the drum that Loomis is overrated as a GM and that he either needs to get a talent department to match his salary cap expertise and Sean Payton's Field General Skills or we need to find a new GM cause any bean counter can slot salaries and pick up Mr Benson's Dry Cleaning; because you shouldn't be named Executive of the Year because you drafted Colston in the 7th round when you and every other team passed on him for six-plus rounds!

02-20-2013, 02:57 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? One of the better teams at drafting drafted one of if not the biggest busts in the history of the draft. It happens every year. The numbers lean so heavily in favor of 'gamble' it's insane. It's not even debatable really.

02-20-2013, 03:02 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Well crap shoot or crap sh!t I hope we hit a homerun on a DT this draft!! K Major likes this.

02-20-2013, 03:20 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Oh and by the way, guess who drafted all these guys: Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Darrell Green, Charles Mann, and Gary Clark. The same guy who drafted this guy: Oh yeah - crap shoot. An exact science it surely ain't.

02-20-2013, 05:21 PM	#4
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Leaf had bust written all over him leading up to the draft but the Chargers were so desperate for a QB and media hype didn't help things. Doesn't matter that he's 1A or 1B when it comes to busts, he's still one of my favorite sound bytes "Knock it off, don't talk to me" that's PR 101

02-20-2013, 05:24 PM	#5
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Back on topic .... I'm seen guys that I've wanted the Saints to draft (J Patrick) and see them fail miserably and seen guys (T Porter) gives us the greatest moment in the history of the franchise. Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed

02-20-2013, 05:38 PM	#6
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Do they really have much of a draft reputation? Seems to me their shining moments come about in other areas than the draft. Danno likes this.

02-20-2013, 06:10 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Seer1 Do they really have much of a draft reputation? Seems to me their shining moments come about in other areas than the draft. I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006

02-20-2013, 06:36 PM	#8
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Danno I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006 I think I may have said that and I blame the martinis as my wife's out of town so can't shoulder any of it. I guess my perception is that we do much better in the middle and end of the draft than we do at the beginning. I don't have any numbers to prove it, but I'm thinking we pretty much suck at the draft in comparison to most of the other top teams.

02-20-2013, 06:47 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by Seer1 I think I may have said that and I blame the martinis as my wife's out of town so can't shoulder any of it. I guess my perception is that we do much better in the middle and end of the draft than we do at the beginning. I don't have any numbers to prove it, but I'm thinking we pretty much suck at the draft in comparison to most of the other top teams. No prob, I think we all thought that until recently. The 2009 draft opened my eyes. Could be the worst draft in Saint history. I truly think drawing names out of a hat would have yielded better results than that debacle. 2007 ain't much to brag about either. And with the exception of Graham, 2010 ain't looking so hot either unless P-Rob comes around.

02-20-2013, 07:14 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Are Loomis /Payton as good as their draft reputation? Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Saints are an offensive football team so of course the scouts would find more talent on that side of the ball and not so much on defense. Look at the Steelers, they have hit on a bunch of defensive players but have struck out on offensive and offensive linemen like its going out of style QB Ben Roethlisberger, C Maurkice Pouncey, G/T Willie Colon (Hofstra), WR Antonio Brown, WR Mike Wallace, RB Rashard Mendenhall, RT Max Starks - Ragin you;re aching brother, cause the Steelers get it done on both sides of the ball and that's why they get perennial consideration... Originally Posted by Danno I suddenly have a feeling several of you bastads are just jerking my chain. We give as good as we get Bama Lover! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't know. Atlanta appears to have just as many misses as we have since 2006. F* the Clowns, we know we're better; it's Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Fran that we want comparable drafts... Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Being a scout has to be one of the hardest behind the scene jobs in sports because its a eye lash between being a genius and being unemployed Bullshinski, take an oath to the constitution, take a weapon, and take a ride over the pond; or watch Mike Rowe - those are hard jobs! Most scouts are hired by nepotistic means and have less ability at assessing football than B&G Members! Originally Posted by Danno** I started this thread because someone mentioned how well we drafted in later rounds. I looked and not only was that not true, the list I posted basically exposed our draft success as a myth. We've been pretty bad at it after 2006 Actually, Hagan (sorry Bro, gotta drag you in with me) and I have been banging the drum that Loomis is overrated as a GM and that he either needs to get a talent department to match his salary cap expertise and Sean Payton's Field General Skills or we need to find a new GM cause any bean counter can slot salaries and pick up Mr Benson's Dry Cleaning; because you shouldn't be named Executive of the Year because you drafted Colston in the 7th round when you and every other team passed on him for six-plus rounds!
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