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[Updated 2013/05/09]
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013 Speculating on the best Pre-MiniCamp/OTA Defensive Personnel DEFENSE DE Cameron Jordan, Kenyon Coleman NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R) DE Akiem Hicks, Will Smith, Rufus Johnson (R) JLB Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (R) SLB David Hawthorne, Martez Wilson MLB Curtis Lofton, Kevin Reddick(R) WLB Jon Vilma, Victor Butler CB Jabari Greer, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (R) FS Kenny Vaccaro (R), Jim Leonhard, Jerico Nelson SS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush CB Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson *2013 Draftee, Free Agent, Rookie Undrafted Free Agent **Hot Spots/Competition |
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Seems like there's a name missing here. Think there's a realistic chance Harper's somewhere else?
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...Harper, would also be the worst coverage back... ...not he can hang out at the old folks home and suck down some more O2... |
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[Updated 2013/04/29]
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013 How it could shake out on offense... OFFENSE QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Ryan Griffin (R) FB Jed Collins RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby LT Terron Armstead (R), Charles Brown LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen OC Brian De La Puente RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Josh Hill (R) FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Kenny Stills (R) *Free Agent Acquisitons, Rookie Draftees/Undrafted Signings Position of Concern, Need The offensive line looks to be getting better, and deeper, now if the new OLine coach can produce a few more road graders - we'll be fine moving forward... Really like our Tight End corps... Need some more running backs - not sold on Tavaris Cadet... Like Zach Strief and the effort he gave through injury last season, but I'd really like to see another young, strong buck in their to challenge... I think Griffin could be the backup right away as he's already accustomed to playing in the Saints System at Tulane... If Kenny Stills is the goods, Lance Moore will be expendable in one to two seasons... The biggest question mark is Armstead and the Left Tackle Debate... From there, it will be whether Payton & Co. get Ingram in a rhythm gashing defenses... |
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But what do I know? As one of our posters would say, I'm just a fat Monday Morning QB. Good stuff, JP. I can't wait for August. |
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And in our scheme, the learning curb and requirements differ from other offenses... But gathering and discussing online, speculating, arguing is what makes it all good - the fact it's the Saints makes it great! |
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[Updated 2013/05/12]
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013 KICKING PK Garrett Hartley P Thomas Morstead LS Justin Drescher PR Darren Sproles KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles Well, we brought in some kickers, and a Long Snapper... And the Long Snapper was the DL coach's son... |
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I'd like to think Maltos has a real good chance at the PK spot.
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I would like to have seen them bring in Kickalicious...
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[Updated 2013/05/14]
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013 OFFENSE QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Seneca Wallace, Ryan Griffin (R) FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Chris Ivory, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (R) WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens, Saalim Hakim, Brent Leonard (R) LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Jason Smith LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren, Ricky Henry OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(R) RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Tim Lelito (R) RT Zach Strief, Terron Armstead (R), Bryce Harris TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (R), Keavon Milton (R) FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Preston Parker, Jarred Fayson, Kenny Stills (R) DEFENSE DE Cameron Jordan, Greg Romeus, Jay Richardson, Baraka Atkins NT Brodrick Bunkley, Akiem Hicks, Tyrunn Walker, John Jenkins (R) DE Will Smith, Tom Johnson, Glenn Foster (R) JLB Junior Galette, Victor Butler, Chase Thomas (R), Rufus Johnson (R) SLB David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Chris Chamberlain MLB Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Austin Johnson, Kevin Reddick (R) WLB Jon Vilma, Martez Wilson, Braylon Broughton, Eric Martin (R), Ray Shipman (R) CB Jabari Greer, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (R), Ryan Steed, Korey Lindsey FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R) CB Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, AJ Davis, Dion Turner KICKING PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (R) P Thomas Morstead LS Justin Drescher PR Darren Sproles KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles New Additions |
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We've got half the NFL Universe trying out for Linebacker and Wide Receiver...
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As much as I like Harper, 8 million is way too much. And several others will have to renegotiate or hit the road. Greer - 6 million Lofton - 5.2 million Hawthorne - 3.5 million Morstead - 3 miilion PT - 3 million Robinson - 2.4 million Ingram - 2.4 million I think much of the youth movement will start this year. |
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But Greer's money, as I understand is guaranteed... But you're right, in that, we may see the highest number of Rookies during Coach Payton's tenure, make this team... |
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[Updated 2013/05/16]
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013 OFFENSE QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown, Seneca Wallace, Ryan Griffin (R) FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (R) WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens, Saalim Hakim, Brent Leonard (R) LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R) LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren, Ricky Henry OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(R) RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Tim Lelito (R) RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith, Bryce Harris TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson, Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (R), Keavon Milton (R) FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker, Kenny Stills (R) DEFENSE DE Cameron Jordan, Kenyon Coleman, Greg Romeus, Jay Richardson, Baraka Atkins NT Brodrick Bunkley, Tyrunn Walker, John Jenkins (R), Isaako Aaitui DE Akiem Hicks, Tom Johnson, Glenn Foster (R) JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R), Ray Shipman (R) WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Chris Chamberlain MIKE Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Austin Johnson, Kevin Reddick (R) SAM Victor Butler, Martez Wilson, Braylon Broughton, Chase Thomas (R), Eric Martin (R) CB Jabari Greer, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (R), Ryan Steed, Korey Lindsey FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R) CB Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, AJ Davis, Dion Turner KICKING PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (R) P Thomas Morstead LS Justin Drescher PR Darren Sproles KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles New Additions |
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Per T-P, Hicks will be at Defensive End and Will Smith is still being looked at as the "joker" (JACK) Linebacker...
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Man, we've gotten real beefy on the Defensive Line...
Got to get a Flag/Sticker made with seven fleur de lis in the 4-3 formation with a diagonal contrasting field of seven fleur de lis in a 3-4 format with a the latter being bigger and the sub caption reading "Size Matters"... |
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PT - 3 million vs Ingram - 2.4 million
sorry to say it again this year but i feel PT will once again be the better investment even though the saints will stuff ingram down the throats over and over. i just do not accept using a first round pick because they are a first round pick . sorry PT was an UDFA but if he fits better use him |
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I agree with that, but it's pretty sad that Will Smith was left in for the pass rush when he clearly wasn't getting it done...
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this is mine from 3/17 that everyone was making fun of but it looks pretty good to me.
LDE Jordan, Cameron NT Bunkley, Brodrick BACKUP AKIEM HICKS WE'LL GET SOMEONE ELSE TOO I say resign Ellis RDE Johnson, Tom LOLB SMITH, WILL VICTOR BUTLER Smith moves to a backup roll at end LILB Hawthorne, David RILB Lofton, Curtis ROLB VILMA, JONATHAN LCB Nnamdi Asomaugh backup GREER, JABARI SS HARPER, ROMAN FS Jenkins, Malcolm RCB Lewis, Keenan BACKUP Robinson, Patrick |
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Triplet of NOLA.com has Saints on record that Akiem Hicks is moving to the End position... Also Vilma is gonna be one of the ILB from what I've read; at least they're gonna try him there... |
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013
OFFENSE QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R) FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA) RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA) WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA) LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3) LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA) OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA) RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA) RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA) TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA) FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5) DEFENSE DE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Greg Romeus, Jay Richardson NT Brodrick Bunkley, Tyrunn Walker, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA) DE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (RFA) JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (RFA), Ray Shipman (RFA) WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (RFA) MIKE Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Chris Chamberlain, Kevin Reddick (RFA) SAM Victor Butler (FA), Martez Wilson, Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA) CB Jabari Greer, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA) FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA) SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1) CB Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA) KICKING PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA) P Thomas Morstead LS Justin Drescher PR Darren Sproles KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles BOLD > New Additions |
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Five Questions:
(1) With Will Smith being a poor fit in this defense, could he be traded for someone like the Rams OT Rodger Saffold??? (2) Will it be Vilma or Hawthorne at the Will LB? If Vilma isn't starting, does he stay, retire, or move on? (3) Does Vacarro draft investment automatically make him the Strong Side Safety Starter as most online publications suggest? And will Harper stay or be traded or be released? (4) Does Robinson make for a better fit in the press coverage system and seize a starting position? (5) How many two TE sets will we see with Graham and Watson? |
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013
OFFENSE QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R) FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA) RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA) WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA) LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3) LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA) OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA) RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA) RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA) TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA) FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5) DEFENSE DE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson NT Brodrick Bunkley, Tyrunn Walker, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA) DE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (RFA) JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (RFA), Ray Shipman (RFA) WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (RFA) MIKE Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Chris Chamberlain, Kevin Reddick (RFA) SAM Victor Butler (FA), Martez Wilson, Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA) CB Jabari Greer, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA) FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA) SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1) CB Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA) KICKING PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA) P Thomas Morstead LS Justin Drescher PR Darren Sproles KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles BOLD > New Additions NOTE: And the 43 Defensive Ends Are Leaving the Building... |
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Are we deep enough at Running Back???
Houston RB Charles Sims considers NFL supplemental draft | ProFootballTalk I'm not sold on Cadet; PT is a Great PT Back; Want Ingram getting more touches and validate investment; but, Ivory was the only proven insurance; Memories of Seattle and A Renewed Committment to the Run beg the question... |
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Scouting Report on Charles Sims...
Lean, Has Frame to Build Upon; Good Vision, Shows Patience with Blocks and Adequate Burst; Decent Open-Field Speed; Steady Receiver with Good Experience in Univ of Houston Pro Set; Good All-Around Athlete that could line up at a number of positions; showed durability issues as the full time guy, would be better suited in a shared backfield... Supplemental Draft Grade/Round - Fifth Round (Probably had with a fourth round pick, or a desperate franchise will spend a third)... Wouldn't be opposed to spending a Supplemental Fifth Rounder to develop as PT's heir... |
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Ivory was proven insurance? How'd that insurance work out in the San Fran playoff game? 9 carries, 23 yards, 2.6 yards per carry 0 receptions, 0 yards |
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Don't remember any of the running backs having a particular good game that day...
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Well, regardless, the table is set and it's Ingram's opportunity to show why the Saints traded back into the first round to get him...
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Loomis is the one who should justify Ingram's cost. Ingram was a very late 1st rounder. Its not Ingram's fault the Saints paid more than the 28th pick to acquire him. |
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