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jeanpierre 05-25-2013 03:55 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 504537)
Where he was drafted is irrelevant. All he has to show anyone is that he's a good RB. There's no need to justify his cost, only to justify making the team.

Loomis is the one who should justify Ingram's cost.

Ingram was a very late 1st rounder. Its not Ingram's fault the Saints paid more than the 28th pick to acquire him.

You're right that the culpability falls to Loomis for selecting Ingram in the first round; I've posted that before and couldn't agree any more than I have...

Now the decisions for starting and playing time, regarding one player over another, should be independent of how a player arrived to a roster - we've both lauded Coach Payton that he trends that way and what makes him respected by players.

But you're kidding yourself if you don't think that first round selections and their production and impact are not and should not be held to a higher standard than players selected in later rounds or undrafted rookie free agents...

And the coaching staff has as much blame in Ingram's stunted development and impact for failing to get him the touches and the rhythm necessary for him to be the impact back he was selected to be...

My argument is that those opportunities should be there for him this season and it's on him to make the most of them...

I would even argue that Charles Brown is a potential busted pick if he fails to secure the starting left tackle job based on his time on this team AND the pick that was invested to select him...

jeanpierre 05-25-2013 09:19 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA)

LT Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA)

FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5)


DEFENSE

RDE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson

NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (RFA)

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (RFA), Ray Shipman (RFA)

WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (RFA)

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (RFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

SS Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus,

CB Patrick Robinson, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

BOLD > New Additions

Seer1 05-25-2013 09:30 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
I'm sure liking how the DL is shaping up. Still a little concerned with the OL though.

jeanpierre 05-26-2013 01:41 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Outside Linebacker, Left Tackle, Right Tackle, Kicker are what I consider our biggest concerns...

Though I feel slightly better about Outside Linebacker than I did since Free Agency, Draft, Rookie Free Agency...

Not seeing Galette having the speed/agility set to play the Jack LBer 3-4 Pro Formation...

jeanpierre 05-27-2013 11:18 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
In case you missed it...

Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, Martez Wilson practice with New Orleans Saints first-string defense on Thursday | NOLA.com

Patrick Robinson still first string?!?

Will Smith still first string?!?

David Hawthorne injured?!?

Vilma still recovering?!?

Danno 05-27-2013 11:49 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Its OTA's, starters mean nothing.

jeanpierre 05-28-2013 06:56 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Yeah, that's pretty much what the article read here as well...

jeanpierre 05-28-2013 07:00 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Offseason can be torture, especially after the season we've had...

Well, we get another ration of water in the Offseason Desert starting today...

May 28-30: Organized Team Activity Session 2 (Voluntary)

June 4-6: Minicamp (Mandatory)

June 10-13: Organized Team Activity Session 3 (Voluntary)

July ~24: Training Camp

jeanpierre 05-28-2013 08:35 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (R)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (RFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (RFA)

LT Jason Smith (FA), Charles Brown, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (RFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(RFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (RFA), Keavon Milton (RFA)

FL Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5)


DEFENSE

RDE Cameron Jordan, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker, Kenyon Coleman (FA)

NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE Tom Johnson, Akiem Hicks, Glenn Foster (RFA)

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (RFA)

WILL David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Jon Vilma, Austin Johnson

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Ray Shipman (RFA), Kevin Reddick (RFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Rufus Johnson (R6), Eric Martin (RFA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Jabari Greer, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Jim Leonhard (FA), Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson

SS Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1)

CB Patrick Robinson, Corey White, Rod Sweeting (RFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (RFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

BOLD > New Additions

jeanpierre 05-29-2013 07:17 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Understanding Coach Payton's Comments regarding the depth chart being fluid, dynamic - the biggest area of concern has to be at the Tackle positions, especially at Left Tackle...

The only scenario I can see us getting a quality, proven Left Tackle would be a trade and the Rams have the only "expendable" Left Tackle...

The best case scenario would involve the unlikely task of selling the Rams on Will Smith who clearly doesn't fit the new 3-4 scheme being installed; and would give us some salary cap relief which same salary probably precludes trading him...

Another other option would be to trade a WR to the WR-poor Rams. And the only proven commodities on the roster is Franchise's Best Marques Colston, which would be an anathema...

That leaves an unlikely trade of sure-handed Lance Moore (though Moore would make for an attractive bargaining chip); the only way Moore becomes available is if Morgan, Toon and Stills ALL step up in the offseason...

Stills would be the key as he's the most comparable receiver to Moore; his route running and speed are already there, but it is the hands that are still the question mark...

Toon's size lends him to being a candidate as a Colston successor...

Morgan appears to be Devery Henderson's successor...

So it'll be a wait and see if Jason Smith can step up in the off-season as Charles Brown seems condemned to NFL Injury List Purgatory...

jeanpierre 05-30-2013 06:13 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT Charles Brown, Jason Smith (FA), Marcel Jones

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Bryce Harris (FA), Terron Armstead (R3)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL Lance Moore, Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Kenny Stills (R5), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

LDE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

RDE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

CB Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

New Additions (Acquired Via)

Vulnerable

Seer1 05-30-2013 08:30 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
You oughta have Hartley in red too.

jeanpierre 05-31-2013 08:55 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Done

jeanpierre 06-02-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Saalim Hakim (FA), Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT Terron Armstead (R3), Jason Smith (FA), Charles Brown

LG Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan

DEFENSE

LDE Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT John Jenkins (R3), Brodrick Bunkley, Isaako Aaitui (FA)

RDE Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

JACK Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

MIKE Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

SAM Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA)

CB Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

CB Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P Thomas Morstead

LS Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

New Additions (Acquired Via)

Vulnerable

jeanpierre 06-03-2013 05:18 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
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Saints Mini-Camp Starts Tomorrow!

jeanpierre 06-09-2013 12:05 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Jarred Fayson, Chris Givens (FA), Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Terron Armstead (R3), Jason Smith (FA)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan , Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA)

DEFENSE

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

JACK (2) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

SAM (3) Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

SS (2) Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1)

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Seer1 06-09-2013 08:52 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
I know some ****'ll fly over this statement, but I think this list is shaping up nicely. The only two red names I see that are making me nervous are P-Rob's and Hartley's. And I'm more than ready to give P-Rob a reasonable chance to prove himself.

jeanpierre 06-09-2013 05:49 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Can see us carrying a total of eight (8) linebackers if all three (3) NT show value as Brodrick Bunkley could also play DE in Goal Line/Short Yardage packages...

WR after Colston looks to have some terrific competition...

Other than Will Smith and maybe Junior Galette, looks like we've had natural linebackers in abundance, not to mention some pretty good FA acquisitions...

jeanpierre 06-10-2013 06:30 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 507226)
The identification of starters and non starts in this offense is blurred because mos everything is done by commitee. I dont think there is much stock in the term starter here. Payton has made it clear that Ingram is going to have every chance in the world to get his carries. No matter what Payton says hes gonna feed the ball to whos producing. My advice would be to NOT Draft any player on this team not named Brees or maybe Graham. We just spread the ball around too much.

True. Guess you can say it's an identification of the core players; third, fourth WR; RB; and DB will be where will see some different packages...

jeanpierre 06-10-2013 07:30 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Saalim Hakim (FA), Chris Givens (FA), Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Terron Armstead (R3), Jason Smith (FA)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan , Andy Tanner, Jarred Fayson, Kenny Stills (R5), Preston Parker (FA)

DEFENSE

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

JACK (2) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

SAM (3) Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

SS (2) Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1)

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Choupique 06-10-2013 07:35 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
The Saints will shock the world, again.

Count on it.

2DAT!

jeanpierre 06-10-2013 09:44 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Excellent Avatar!

Vrillon82 06-10-2013 01:23 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quddus may over throw Harper if every position is really being competed for.

jeanpierre 06-10-2013 03:39 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 507349)
Quddus may over throw Harper if every position is really being competed for.

Salary Cap Hit makes that especially possible - don't want to go back to when we had a "commitment" to Aaron Brooks and we let Jake Delhomme geaux to Carolina - oh the insanity of it...

Seer1 06-10-2013 03:58 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 507370)
Salary Cap Hit makes that especially possible - don't want to go back to when we had a "commitment" to Aaron Brooks and we let Jake Delhomme geaux to Carolina - oh the insanity of it...

Hopin' this year is about the players' commitments and not those of the front office.

Vrillon82 06-10-2013 04:06 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 507370)
Salary Cap Hit makes that especially possible - don't want to go back to when we had a "commitment" to Aaron Brooks and we let Jake Delhomme geaux to Carolina - oh the insanity of it...

Its not just that, when Quddus has been out there, he has done way more than Harper has. How much do you ever hear Harpers name called when he aint blitzing?

Not very darn often.

Danno 06-10-2013 05:34 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 507374)
Its not just that, when Quddus has been out there, he has done way more than Harper has. How much do you ever hear Harpers name called when he aint blitzing?

Not very darn often.

DB's who don't get their name called is a good thing.

QB's usually avoid the guys who are covered.

Vrillon82 06-10-2013 06:15 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 507388)
DB's who don't get their name called is a good thing.

QB's usually avoid the guys who are covered.

Thats true, I should have worded it correctly to say How many time Harpers name is called for something good?

Usually when its called, its for bad, as in in coverage, most specific, the TE.

Danno 06-10-2013 06:29 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 507407)
Thats true, I should have worded it correctly to say How many time Harpers name is called for something good?

Usually when its called, its for bad, as in in coverage, most specific, the TE.

Name some games in the past 2 years where a TE abused Harper.

Vrillon82 06-10-2013 07:35 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 507412)
Name some games in the past 2 years where a TE abused Harper.

Just about any with a decent TE.

Gonzalez, Witten.

Dallas Clark was Mannings best WR in the SB.

I tell you this, you best look at the TE Stats vs Saints in recent memory in many many games, they are tearing it up down the middle of the field and 9 times out of 10, Harper is there.

Danno 06-10-2013 08:21 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 507423)
Just about any with a decent TE.

Gonzalez, Witten.

Dallas Clark was Mannings best WR in the SB.

I tell you this, you best look at the TE Stats vs Saints in recent memory in many many games, they are tearing it up down the middle of the field and 9 times out of 10, Harper is there.

Uh no, he isn't.

Gonzalez burned Greer, Robinson, Vilma, Shanle and Jenkins. Harper gave up one 4 yard out and a bogus PI call on Gonzo.

Please tell me which plays specifically Harper was burned on. It shouldn't be hard since he was burned "constantly" by TE's.

I'm curious because I've watched all the games numerous times and even logged many of the so called Harper plays and I'm just not seeing all these TE's that burn Harper constantly. Maybe you can enlighten me. I may not be seeing the same things you're seeing.

So you named Whitten, which was 4 years ago, and I don't remember Harper being the guy that was burned constantly. I remember Shanle getting beat a lot, but not Harper. But I could be wrong, that was 4 years ago versus the NFL MVP and one of the best TE's in the entire league at that time.

Vrillon82 06-10-2013 08:54 PM

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You should go back to the numerous times Gonzalez has burned Harper when Harper was assigned to cover the TE.

Theirs a reason everyone wants Harper gone, thats a big reason.

jeanpierre 06-11-2013 07:43 AM

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Video clip links have been posted here at B/G showing Harper being smoked; if you still want to pull for the Bama product - that's fine...

But to keep asking for proof that he sucks is an exercise in futility...

Vaccaro was drafted and I suspect we'll be drafting another Safety next season...

Granted the pass rush and front seven has sucked for years and only Darren Sharper's plays on defense overcame the front seven ineffectiveness...

But the gashes and big plays are because of the safeties have been awful and Harper is a specialist not a full time starting safety...

Danno 06-11-2013 07:52 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 507484)
Video clip links have been posted here at B/G showing Harper being smoked; if you still want to pull for the Bama product - that's fine...

But to keep asking for proof that he sucks is an exercise in futility...

Vaccaro was drafted and I suspect we'll be drafting another Safety next season...

Granted the pass rush and front seven has sucked for years and only Darren Sharper's plays on defense overcame the front seven ineffectiveness...

But the gashes and big plays are because of the safeties have been awful and Harper is a specialist not a full time starting safety...



Yep, those same 2 or 3 games you keep posting are pretty ugly.;)

Seer1 06-11-2013 10:12 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 507442)
You should go back to the numerous times Gonzalez has burned Harper when Harper was assigned to cover the TE.

Theirs a reason everyone wants Harper gone, thats a big reason.

Saints DBs aren't the only DBs Gonzales has burned. He's damn good. Wish he'd have played for a team I could root for.

jeanpierre 06-12-2013 04:29 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Jarred Fayson, Chris Givens (FA), Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Terron Armstead (R3), Jason Smith (FA)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Joseph Morgan , Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA)

DEFENSE

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

JACK (2) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

SAM (3) Martez Wilson, Victor Butler (FA), Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jerico Nelson, Jim Leonhard (FA)

SS (2) Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus, Kenny Vaccaro (R1)

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

Seer1 06-12-2013 05:29 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Here's a little read about our left tackles:
Saints Jason Smith a Darkhorse to Win LT Job - Who Dat Dish - A New Orleans Saints Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more.
As I look through this list, wouldn't a player only be considered on the hot seat if there's a reasonable back up for him? I'm curious about Vilma and Hawthorne. Or are you presenting this as an either, or situation.?

jeanpierre 06-13-2013 05:10 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Taking account of the salary cap situation, don't see us carrying both LBers...

Even with the Victor Butler injury and if Will Herring is a more effective 34 LBer, then both could be in trouble; in fact Herring should also be listed as vulnerable...

That's a good bit of money tied up in three LBers that will be pared with Curtis Lofton...

Seer1 06-13-2013 11:51 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
So if Vilma, Hawthorne and Herring go, then who steps in there? Pick up Bishop? I honestly believe if there's any kind of nepotism that's going to happen, it'll happen with Vilma. I just don't think the organization is willing to say buh bye to him this year.

TheOak 06-13-2013 12:02 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
What salary cap situation do you speak of? having 5.5M in reserve?


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