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Danno 06-13-2013 07:26 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 507993)
So if Vilma, Hawthorne and Herring go, then who steps in there?

No one, we'd be way over the cap.

jeanpierre 06-14-2013 07:26 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507995)
What salary cap situation do you speak of? having 5.5M in reserve?

Well, yeah, that's less than 4.5% of the 2013 available salary cap...

That's not to take away from the good job of postponing the salary hits this year...

...but if we had to sign someone for this season, decide to release a player thus accelerating a cap hit, or extend a contract for a key player, that available space vanishes...

So I'd argue the salary cap situation is pretty tight...

TheOak 06-14-2013 07:44 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 508126)
Well, yeah, that's less than 4.5% of the 2013 available salary cap...

That's not to take away from the good job of postponing the salary hits this year...

...but if we had to sign someone for this season, decide to release a player thus accelerating a cap hit, or extend a contract for a key player, that available space vanishes...

So I'd argue the salary cap situation is pretty tight...

We only take a cap hit on cut players if they have bonus money associated with their contract.examples would be PT, DLP, who both have zero dead money associated with their contract.

extension example:
5 contracts can be extended with a 2013 value of 1M each and that would only open more cap space. You could restructure Strief in this way and gain 1M in cap space even with the 250k dead money acceleration.

Wallace or McCowan will be cut opening up near 1M. Cutting McCowan comes with a $65k dead money hit. Wallace yields a full 840k in cap space.

jeanpierre 06-14-2013 07:14 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 508129)
We only take a cap hit on cut players if they have bonus money associated with their contract.examples would be PT, DLP, who both have zero dead money associated with their contract.

extension example:
5 contracts can be extended with a 2013 value of 1M each and that would only open more cap space. You could restructure Strief in this way and gain 1M in cap space even with the 250k dead money acceleration.

Wallace or McCowan will be cut opening up near 1M. Cutting McCowan comes with a $65k dead money hit. Wallace yields a full 840k in cap space.

Oak, other than restructuring or trade, my point is we really have no cap flexibility to release players, add players, etc...

Seer1 06-14-2013 10:41 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
There's always Drew...

TheOak 06-15-2013 03:23 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
We are where I would expect us to be with a fully burdened camp roster and a #1 offense.

We are near middle of the pack on cap space.
http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space.php?Year=2013

jeanpierre 06-15-2013 03:54 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Jason Smith (FA), Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

SAM (3) Martez Wilson, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (2) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

hagan714 06-15-2013 11:14 PM

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MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

This group really worries me. i hope they can the job since we did not get ILB in the draft or as a UNDFA. a whole bunch 43 MLB

If the group fail it could take 2 years to address.

hagan714 06-15-2013 11:16 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Chase Thomas might be the right move to ILB and let him get some experience there off and on this year. butlers injury may have just assured him a roster spot

jeanpierre 06-17-2013 07:04 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 508324)
MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

This group really worries me. i hope they can the job since we did not get ILB in the draft or as a UNDFA. a whole bunch 43 MLB

If the group fail it could take 2 years to address.

I'm still sore about not drafting Ogletree - but, I'm on-board with Vacarro now and hoping he wins the Safety spot out-right so as to improve that facet of the defense...

But, Brother, keep your eyes on UDFA Kevin Reddick - he may be a year or two away, but it'll speak volumes if he makes the team as an active player this year playing special teams...

And also watch for UDFA Eric Martin, dude has one helluva motor...

But Thomas is definitely a 3-4 OLB, even if he doesn't have the 'measurables'; I'm eager to see Thomas and Rufus push at the OLB positions for the Saints...

jeanpierre 06-18-2013 07:12 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Jason Smith (FA), Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

SAM (2) Martez Wilson, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (3) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

jeanpierre 06-19-2013 11:27 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Training Camp Battles Are Setting Up Nicely...

Reserve Quarterback (aka Deuce)

Luke McCown has both experience with the Saints and has starting experience that even Chase Daniel didn't offer; and while Senaca Wallace was out of football last season, his value is as a scout team quarterback for the defense; Griffin has never been surrounded by talent, but after having played in the college version of the Saints offense by former Saint Coach Curtis Johnson, he may be one of the local surprises that makes this team...

Running Back

It's the Pierre-Sproles-Ingram Committee; then, enjoy...
Travaris Cadet vs Khiry Robinson - this will be a good matchup and the winner will be the guy that gets the intangibles right (ie blocking, reads) which will earn Coach's trust and so a roster spot...

Wide Receiver

Colston, Moore, Roby should make the roster; the fourth spot is Toon's to lose; Morgan exposed himself more with the DUI - but it's his mental inconsistency that handicaps him; Stills may have the pro groomed pedigree - but I've not been impressed with his maturity in his interviews nor his grasp of what's been thrown his way; Hakim's speed is amazing, but he'll have to earn coaching staff trust as quickly as he can run to make the team; the rest will be solid, but not enough to justify seven receivers...

Perimeter Line (Tackles)

Left Tackle battle more about how fast Armstead can adapt than Armstead vs. Charlie Brown, whom the latter is not trusted by Coach...
Jason Smith will probably move to the right as he offers good measurables and could be coached up to correct some playing deficiencies setting up a nice challenge for incumbent Zach Strief who had a down year (injuries)...


Interior Line

Should remain same with Evans, de la Puente, and Grubbs with Olsen in reserve; remaining spot will be filed by one of a good group of candidates; look for Tiller to show he's gotten better to make the roster...

Tight End

Graham, best TE on the planet backed up by a great FA signing Watson; who will be the second best No.2 TE in the league; nice battle for No. 3 TE, keep an eye on Idaho State alum Josh Hill...

jeanpierre 06-21-2013 05:44 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Jason Smith (FA), Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

SAM (2) Martez Wilson, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (3) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA), Chris Carr (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

jeanpierre 06-23-2013 09:43 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Training Camp Battles Are Setting Up Nicely...

Nose Tackle

Bunkley played very well for Denver in their 34 before signing with the Saints last season; he's considered by some though to be undersized...

But it's the drafting of Big John Jenkins (R3, Georgia) that will be the key for this and the coming seasons as to whether the 34 move is successful, quickly; expect Isaako Aaitui (FA) to provide solid depth at this position...


Defensive End

Cameron Jordan is poised to begin his prime; surprised that the already slow Will Smith didn't remain at the opposite end position, but Hicks looks to be a good complement to Jordan in the new 34 Defense; Tom Johnson and Kenyon Coleman (FA) look to be excellent depth at the ends...


Outside Linebacker

The move of Will Smith to this position is surprising in that he was already a slow, low impact DE - so moving him to LB will make him faster?!? This is set for failure...

Then the Saints drafted another 43 DE in Rufus Johnson - what gives?!?
Johnson will need to get up to speed and talent of the NFL level, but he's a feel-good story Saints fans like to have...

Junior Galette returns, but he is a small 43 DE that may be miscast as an OLB - guess we'll find out; the best suited OLB may be the UDFA Chase Thomas, though he lacks the measurables - he may be the big surprise once the pads are put on...

The signing of Victor Butler was suppose to be the second biggest impact for the Saints, his injury now makes him a non factor and opening the way for Martez Wilson to finally crack the starting lineup; With this opportunity we finally get to see Martez play?!?


Inside Linebacker

Curtis Lofton's play should only improve as coverage responsibilities will now be broken up among the extra linebacker; Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, and Will Herring will fulfill the Will Linebacker duties though can't see all making this squad at their salary slots; Chamberlain, Spagnulo add, may be a poor fit for the 34 though he's an excellent special teams player; look for the high-motor Eric Martin (UDFA) and the overlooked Kevin Reddick (UDFA) to make a strong case to make this roster...


Cornerback

The signing of Keenan Lewis definitely takes this unit up a notch, though Jabari Greer has been very good, he's getting older and has missed a few games due to injuries; Patrick Robinson may just have been poorly coached by Gregg Williams and misused by Steve Spagnuolo, and this will be his third coach in as many years and probably will be his last chance to make an impact on this squad or join a dubious list of first round busts by the Saints brass; really like Corey White toughness and fire, with a year to adjust to the talent and speed of the NFL, we'll have a better idea of his role with the Saints; look for Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA) or Chris Carr (FA) to round out this group which looks to bounce back...


Safeties

While some were surprised the Saints took Kenny Vaccaro (R1) with such a deep draft for safeties, others lauded the pick as an improvement and solution that has been the disaster of the Safety tandem of the overpaid Roman Harper and FA to-be Malcolm Jenkins...

Of note, Harper and Jenkins, appeared to be outplayed by the reserve safeties Rafael Bush and Isa Abdul-Quddus when given an opportunity; but their sampling size is small and they may not have played enough to be exposed as well...

The signing of Jim Leonhard (FA) may suggest that better reads were needed by the Safeties as Leonard is known as a heady, though undersized safety...

And will Jerico Nelson get a real chance to make an impact with this unit?!?

This should prove to be an interesting battle...

hagan714 06-24-2013 03:26 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
not a bad read

jeanpierre 06-24-2013 05:54 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
The position battles would be more compelling if some of the veteran contracts weren't guaranteed or if salary cap escalators didn't make it prohibitive for them to be cut/released...

Vilma, who I like, was jettisoned from the Jets because of a move to the 34 defense...

Will Smith would look more natural in a pink tutu than as an OLB in the 34...

I don't see Galette having a rounded game to play OLB and will be gone by next season...

Some of you guys have noticed, rightfully, that Martez Wilson should be playing on the Inside with Lofton...

I know the Bama alum love Harper, but he's been the biggest eyesore in the Saints secondary and only got relief when Jenkins would have one of his mental lapses...

Hoping the Cornerback corps can stay healthy, they should help some...

But it's gonna come down to what is always does, controlling the LOS and that leads to limiting the run and an Honest Pass Rush...

Seer1 06-24-2013 10:11 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
I think Bunkley's position is in the black for now. It may change by mid season, but he'll be a solid starter at the beginning of the season.

I see Leonhard as right behind Jenkins or in front of Harper.

I could also see Coleman moving up in front of Jordan.

Aannnnddddd... Have you ever seen ol' Will in a pink tutu? Maybe not quite as unnatural as you might think...

rezburna 06-24-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
I thought Kenyon Coleman was starting over Akiem Hicks?

jeanpierre 06-25-2013 07:23 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Rez, nola.com would agree with you...

I've just started a thread and posted what I'm reading and projecting...

Please, feel free to copy, cut and paste how you see the Depth Chart/Roster...

Started the thread for everyone to post their outlook on the team for the fall...

rezburna 06-25-2013 07:57 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 509376)
Rez, nola.com would agree with you...

I've just started a thread and posted what I'm reading and projecting...

Please, feel free to copy, cut and paste how you see the Depth Chart/Roster...

Started the thread for everyone to post their outlook on the team for the fall...

Hopefully Hicks does start. That's a good projection.

jeanpierre 06-25-2013 06:21 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 509380)
Hopefully Hicks does start. That's a good projection.

You draft 'em, play 'em; if not, release them and let them find their opportunity elsewhere...

But I know we haven't been getting a pass rush with the players they chose to start these past seasons...

Danno 06-25-2013 06:28 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 509452)
But I know we haven't been getting a pass rush with the players they chose to start these past seasons...

That simply means the back-ups are even worse.

I'm 99% positive the coaches are starting the players they think will perform the best, all things considered.

I also think they know who the better player is more than we do.

jeanpierre 06-26-2013 04:34 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
If we were doing production/play analysis, then Martez Wilson should be starting...

He's wasn't starting and slow @$$ Will Smith was - so what gives?!?

I question the geniuses on defense these past three years...

Danno 06-26-2013 05:31 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 509568)
If we were doing production/play analysis, then Martez Wilson should be starting...

He's wasn't starting and slow @$$ Will Smith was - so what gives?!?

My guess is that Wilson and Galette were used in certain packages that play to their strengths, which makes all of us say wow, those dudes can play.

On the other hand they may have been pulled from other packages where their weaknesses would be exposed.

Their grades may be skewed because of their use in specific situations.

jeanpierre 06-28-2013 05:46 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Jason Smith (FA), Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Marcel Jones, Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Jay Richardson, Tyrunn Walker

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Glenn Foster (UDFA)

SAM (2) Martez Wilson, Baraka Atkins (FA), Chase Thomas (UDFA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Chris Chamberlain, Ramon Humber, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) Jon Vilma, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (3) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Rufus Johnson (R6), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Keenan Lewis, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Patrick Robinson, Jabari Greer, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA), Chris Carr (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

jeanpierre 07-01-2013 10:24 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Well, it's July...

Training camp is coming...

Less than a month till we see the Saints offer a Depth Chart...

Rugby Saint II 07-01-2013 08:13 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 509254)
The position battles would be more compelling if some of the veteran contracts weren't guaranteed or if salary cap escalators didn't make it prohibitive for them to be cut/released...

Vilma, who I like, was jettisoned from the Jets because of a move to the 34 defense...

Will Smith would look more natural in a pink tutu than as an OLB in the 34...

I don't see Galette having a rounded game to play OLB and will be gone by next season...

Some of you guys have noticed, rightfully, that Martez Wilson should be playing on the Inside with Lofton...

I know the Bama alum love Harper, but he's been the biggest eyesore in the Saints secondary and only got relief when Jenkins would have one of his mental lapses...

Hoping the Cornerback corps can stay healthy, they should help some...

But it's gonna come down to what is always does, controlling the LOS and that leads to limiting the run and an Honest Pass Rush...

Double thumbs up my friend! :cool3::cool3:

Danno 07-01-2013 08:25 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 509254)
The position battles would be more compelling if some of the veteran contracts weren't guaranteed or if salary cap escalators didn't make it prohibitive for them to be cut/released...

Vilma, who I like, was jettisoned from the Jets because of a move to the 34 defense...

Will Smith would look more natural in a pink tutu than as an OLB in the 34...

I don't see Galette having a rounded game to play OLB and will be gone by next season...

Some of you guys have noticed, rightfully, that Martez Wilson should be playing on the Inside with Lofton...

I know the Bama alum love Harper, but he's been the biggest eyesore in the Saints secondary and only got relief when Jenkins would have one of his mental lapses...

Hoping the Cornerback corps can stay healthy, they should help some...

But it's gonna come down to what is always does, controlling the LOS and that leads to limiting the run and an Honest Pass Rush...

Right
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Right
Wrong
Duh
Right

Rugby Saint II 07-01-2013 11:22 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 510084)
Right
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Right
Wrong
Duh
Right

You kill me Danno...........too funny!:biggun:

jeanpierre 07-02-2013 06:25 AM

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'New chapter' as Vilma dealt from Jets to Saints - NFL - ESPN

By John Clayton | ESPN.com

Updated: February 29, 2008, 10:53 PM ET

"The Jets were going one direction, and I was going a different direction," Vilma said Friday. "I'm just glad I'm getting back into a 4-3 defense. This is better for both sides."

Vilma, considered a bit undersized at linebacker, didn't fit in as well in the Jets' 3-4 scheme. Unless the nose tackle in a 3-4 occupies two blockers, the middle linebacker in a 3-4 is subject to a steady diet of blocking guards or centers pounding on his body.

TheOak 07-02-2013 07:26 AM

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Danno 07-02-2013 08:09 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510116)
'New chapter' as Vilma dealt from Jets to Saints - NFL - ESPN

By John Clayton | ESPN.com

Updated: February 29, 2008, 10:53 PM ET

"The Jets were going one direction, and I was going a different direction," Vilma said Friday. "I'm just glad I'm getting back into a 4-3 defense. This is better for both sides."

Vilma, considered a bit undersized at linebacker, didn't fit in as well in the Jets' 3-4 scheme. Unless the nose tackle in a 3-4 occupies two blockers, the middle linebacker in a 3-4 is subject to a steady diet of blocking guards or centers pounding on his body.

It wasn't the move to the 3-4, it was a move to a 2-gap 3-4 scheme in which Vilma would be taking on O-Linemen.

jeanpierre 07-02-2013 06:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 510126)
It wasn't the move to the 3-4, it was a move to a 2-gap 3-4 scheme in which Vilma would be taking on O-Linemen.

Okay.

jeanpierre 07-07-2013 07:26 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2013

OFFENSE

QB (2) Drew Brees, Luke McCown (FA), Seneca Wallace (FA), Ryan Griffin (UDFA)

FB (1) Jed Collins, Austin Johnson (FA)

RB (4) Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles, Mark Ingram, Travaris Cadet, Khiry Robinson (UDFA)

WR (3) Marques Colston, Nick Toon, Courtney Roby, Chris Givens (FA), Jarred Fayson, Brent Leonard (UDFA)

LT (2) Charles Brown, Marcel Jones, Terron Armstead (R3)

LG (2) Ben Grubbs, Eric Olsen, Jerimiah Warren (FA), Tim Lelito (UDFA)

OC (1) Brian De La Puente, Elliot Mealer(UDFA)

RG (2) Jahri Evans, Andrew Tiller, Ricky Henry (FA)

RT (2) Zach Strief, Jason Smith (FA), Bryce Harris (FA)

TE (3) Jimmy Graham, Benjamin Watson (FA), Mike Higgins, Josh Hill (UDFA), Keavon Milton (UDFA)

FL (3) Lance Moore, Kenny Stills (R5), Saalim Hakim (FA), Andy Tanner, Preston Parker (FA), Joseph Morgan


DEFENSE

RDE (2) Cameron Jordan, Tom Johnson, Glenn Foster (UDFA)

NT (2) Brodrick Bunkley, John Jenkins (R3), Tyrunn Walker, Isaako Aaitui (FA)

LDE (2) Akiem Hicks, Kenyon Coleman (FA), Jay Richardson

SAM (2) Martez Wilson, Rufus Johnson (R6), Baraka Atkins (FA), Victor Butler (FA)

MIKE (2) Curtis Lofton, Ramon Humber, Chris Chamberlain, Kevin Reddick (UDFA)

WILL (2) David Hawthorne, Jon Vilma, Will Herring, Austin Johnson, Eric Martin (UDFA)

JACK (3) Will Smith, Junior Galette, Chase Thomas (UDFA), Ray Shipman (UDFA)

CB (3) Jabari Greer, Corey White, AJ Davis (FA), Korey Lindsey (FA), Dion Turner (FA), Chris Carr (FA)

SS (2) Kenny Vaccaro (R1), Roman Harper, Isa Abdul-Quddus

FS (3) Malcolm Jenkins, Rafael Bush, Jim Leonhard (FA), Jerico Nelson

CB (2) Keenan Lewis, Patrick Robinson, Rod Sweeting (UDFA), Ryan Steed (FA)


KICKING

PK (1) Garrett Hartley, Jose Maltos (UDFA)

P (1) Thomas Morstead

LS (1) Justin Drescher

PR Darren Sproles

KR Travaris Cadet, Darren Sproles

Key:

POS (#) Likely Slots

Incumbent Starter

Additions (Acquired Via)

Hot Seat

Injured

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Seer1 07-07-2013 11:57 AM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Movin' Hawthorne in front of Vilma? Bold move there.

Danno 07-07-2013 12:27 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Did you mean Jordan at LED and Hicks at RDE? On paper Jordan does look like a better RDE than a LDE.

It seems to me that playing Jordan as a 3-tech RDE plays to his pass rush ability, and moving Hicks to the LDE playing the 5 tech plays to his strength and size.

I'm still new to all the nuances of the 3-4 over and 3-4 under alignments but it sure looks to my amature eyes that Jordan looks to be a better fit at the RDE.

But then again playing Hicks at RDE would give Vilma a much bigger body playing in front of him. Thats what the Ravens did with Ngata and it worked pretty well.

jeanpierre 07-07-2013 08:01 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 510437)
Movin' Hawthorne in front of Vilma? Bold move there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 510438)
Did you mean Jordan at LED and Hicks at RDE? On paper Jordan does look like a better RDE than a LDE.

It seems to me that playing Jordan as a 3-tech RDE plays to his pass rush ability, and moving Hicks to the LDE playing the 5 tech plays to his strength and size.

I'm still new to all the nuances of the 3-4 over and 3-4 under alignments but it sure looks to my amature eyes that Jordan looks to be a better fit at the RDE.

But then again playing Hicks at RDE would give Vilma a much bigger body playing in front of him. Thats what the Ravens did with Ngata and it worked pretty well.

I'm a Vilma fan, but I don't see him having an easy task making this roster for a couple of reasons...

Salary, Unless Hawthorne breaks down, can't see committing that much salary to two players "sharing" the same position - contemporary NFL finances precludes it...

Size, Vilma doesn't haven't the frame; though he's listed an inch taller than Hawthorne, he's not built as well as Hawthorne to take on Off Linemen as a 34 LB will...

Age, he's a linebacker with ten (10) years now in the league and a degenerative knee condition that's deteriorating, limiting his playing time - just don't see this happening...

Then add in the remote, but possible chance that one of other newer, younger, faster linebacker additions may just outplay him physically...

Vilma has given us some great moments which I am grateful, but he's got a big mountain ahead of him...

Don't mind being wrong, but Vilma himself didn't want to play in a 34 with the Jets (posted his own words) no matter what the defensive front protection is because of the more physical nature with the O line guys...

Jordan shot up draft boards, as he was a 34 RDE (which would be opposite the Jack LBer)...

Think back to what KC had with LB Derrick Thomas opposite DE Neil Smith; now, not saying we have that talent level, but a similar scheme or complement would be likely comparison...

jeanpierre 07-07-2013 08:05 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
See Hicks, with his size, tying up a TE and OT, allowing the OLB to attack and push plays to middle, containment...

The Jack LBer could really tee off from this position...

Seer1 07-07-2013 09:35 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510455)
I'm a Vilma fan, but I don't see him having an easy task making this roster for a couple of reasons...

Salary, Unless Hawthorne breaks down, can't see committing that much salary to two players "sharing" the same position - contemporary NFL finances precludes it...

Size, Vilma doesn't haven't the frame; though he's listed an inch taller than Hawthorne, he's not built as well as Hawthorne to take on Off Linemen as a 34 LB will...

Age, he's a linebacker with ten (10) years now in the league and a degenerative knee condition that's deteriorating, limiting his playing time - just don't see this happening...

Then add in the remote, but possible chance that one of other newer, younger, faster linebacker additions may just outplay him physically...

Vilma has given us some great moments which I am grateful, but he's got a big mountain ahead of him...

Don't mind being wrong, but Vilma himself didn't want to play in a 34 with the Jets (posted his own words) no matter what the defensive front protection is because of the more physical nature with the O line guys...

Jordan shot up draft boards, as he was a 34 RDE (which would be opposite the Jack LBer)...

Think back to what KC had with LB Derrick Thomas opposite DE Neil Smith; now, not saying we have that talent level, but a similar scheme or complement would be likely comparison...

I was thinking off all the praise Sean and Rob were heaping on him a couple of weeks ago. I'm probably being sucked in by the commercials huh? Yeah, we all know anything can happen. If Vilma goes down in preseason, I could see him going home. I agree that we have some young LBs with the potential to step up and take his place and there's no way they'd want to pay someone that kind of salary to watch from the bench.

Danno 07-07-2013 10:22 PM

Re: Saints Depth Chart 2013
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 510455)

Jordan shot up draft boards, as he was a 34 RDE (which would be opposite the Jack LBer)...


RDE plays over the offense's left tackle. Will Smith was a RDE, Cam Jordan played the LDE, which is the strong side.


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