Refs: Home Cooking?

jeanpierre · 10-14-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Agreed, but I look at it this way... even with the vast majority of calls in New England's favor, and the Saints having back-to-back road games (a killer), playing one of the AFC's leading Superbowl contenders coming off a loss, it still took a last second miracle with a blatent offensive hold for them to pull off the win.

Good Call - we're definitely on everyone's radar now...

Originally Posted by Danno

We have 10 games left, and I don't see more than 3 or 4 losses.

We'll finish 11-5, maybe 12-4 if we get a few bounces our way.

We'll finish 15-1 if we get the same kind of favoritism New England got yesterday.

We're going 13-3 barring major injury...

jeanpierre · 10-14-2013, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN

I'll be pissed for at least 2 weeks. I feel like giving a Denny Green speech. we let them off the hook and afc team or not it sucks.

mostly cause I f--king hate that GQ mfer

Tell us how you really feel...

SloMotion · 10-14-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Mike PereiraVerified account ‏@MikePereira

Some questioning the hit across the middle in New England, It was a shoulder to the chest. No head or neck contact. Not a foul.

Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one,

... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.

TheOak · 10-14-2013, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one, ... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.

The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there.

exile · 10-14-2013, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.

Or just inept at their jobs.

SloMotion · 10-14-2013, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there.

Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument?

TheOak · 10-14-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument?

There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday.

SloMotion · 10-14-2013, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday.

I know, Caddieman even showed up and took a poke at me,

... appropriately in the Ultimate Smack Talk forum and according to board policy, I might add,

.

http://blackandgold.com/showthread.p...355#post538355

SaintsBro · 10-14-2013, 01:16 PM

I just automatically assume that all refs are against the Saints, permanently, and it's completely hostile, 11 against 18, you have to beat the other team AND the refs, every time the Saints step on the field. I mean pointing out obvious mistakes is fine, but bellyaching and making a case that it influenced the outcome of the game, "we wuz robbed," etc, I just don't understand that kind of thinking after a loss. You have to beat the refs and the other team, in every game, it's always been like that.

There was nothing in this game anywhere remotely close to an "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" screwup like the famous Packers/Seahawks game, so there's no reason to bellyache. Although the Drew pick was a definite busted play, you could tell because portions of both the Saints and the Patriots were NOT reacting to the snap of the ball.

It is a common thing for refs to "clip the wings" of a superior team, or to give a little "home cooking" to the home team, or to give "Golden Boy Superstar" the calls he wants or needs, whether it's Brady or Clay Matthews or even Brees. That happens all the time.

Back to Jeanpierre's original point, there is also ref home cooking especially in a game like the Bears game, where a superior team is starting to separate and clearly run away with the game against the home team, early on. Which is what was happening against the Bears. Then the refs will gently "clip the wings" of the team that's starting to run away with the game, and say "nope, can't keep doing that," to slow the faster, better team down and give the other losing team a shot. That happens all the time, and not just with the Saints. But that's where stuff like your bad spots and your ticky tacky holding calls come into play.

UK_WhoDat · 10-14-2013, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Since 2009, he’s worked one New England game per season — all of them wins for the Patriots. - per WEEI (An Over the Top 24/7 Sports Talk, News Station in New England...

It Is What It Is » Report: Tony Corrente will work as referee for Patriots-Saints

And that is despite the fact that the Corrente officiating krewe did not always give less penalties against New England and that New England have been a relative powerhouse overall in that period.
Tony Corrente NFL Official Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

10-14-2013, 10:11 AM	#81
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by Danno Agreed, but I look at it this way... even with the vast majority of calls in New England's favor, and the Saints having back-to-back road games (a killer), playing one of the AFC's leading Superbowl contenders coming off a loss, it still took a last second miracle with a blatent offensive hold for them to pull off the win. Good Call - we're definitely on everyone's radar now... Originally Posted by Danno We have 10 games left, and I don't see more than 3 or 4 losses. We'll finish 11-5, maybe 12-4 if we get a few bounces our way. We'll finish 15-1 if we get the same kind of favoritism New England got yesterday. We're going 13-3 barring major injury...

10-14-2013, 10:13 AM	#82
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: i thought I was pissed at the refs before, check this out Originally Posted by DISPLACEDFAN I'll be pissed for at least 2 weeks. I feel like giving a Denny Green speech. we let them off the hook and afc team or not it sucks. mostly cause I f--king hate that GQ mfer Tell us how you really feel...

10-14-2013, 10:20 AM	#83
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by exile Mike PereiraVerified account ‏@MikePereira Some questioning the hit across the middle in New England, It was a shoulder to the chest. No head or neck contact. Not a foul. Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one, ... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO.

10-14-2013, 10:22 AM	#84
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, but there was shoulder-to-helmet contact/defenseless player and I see why they called it, though I vehemently disagree with them calling that one, ... it was so obvious Bush was doing everything in his power not to put a flagrant hit on the guy but still do the job the Saints sent him out there to do ... poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO. The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there.

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by SloMotion poor judgment and erring on the side of caution by the refs, IMO. Or just inept at their jobs. onebyone likes this.
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10-14-2013, 10:26 AM	#86
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by TheOak The shoulder to helmet contact was not from a shoulder going into the side of the helmet, it was from the helmet going into the shoulder as the defender was right in front of him. There is a difference there. Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument? xan and hagan714 like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by SloMotion Oh, sort of like the "tell your boobs to stop staring at my eyes" argument? There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday. SloMotion likes this.

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SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by TheOak There is a lot of sassy floating around here for a Monday. I know, Caddieman even showed up and took a poke at me, ... appropriately in the Ultimate Smack Talk forum and according to board policy, I might add, . http://blackandgold.com/showthread.p...355#post538355

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? I just automatically assume that all refs are against the Saints, permanently, and it's completely hostile, 11 against 18, you have to beat the other team AND the refs, every time the Saints step on the field. I mean pointing out obvious mistakes is fine, but bellyaching and making a case that it influenced the outcome of the game, "we wuz robbed," etc, I just don't understand that kind of thinking after a loss. You have to beat the refs and the other team, in every game, it's always been like that. There was nothing in this game anywhere remotely close to an "INTERTOUCHDOWNCEPTION" screwup like the famous Packers/Seahawks game, so there's no reason to bellyache. Although the Drew pick was a definite busted play, you could tell because portions of both the Saints and the Patriots were NOT reacting to the snap of the ball. It is a common thing for refs to "clip the wings" of a superior team, or to give a little "home cooking" to the home team, or to give "Golden Boy Superstar" the calls he wants or needs, whether it's Brady or Clay Matthews or even Brees. That happens all the time. Back to Jeanpierre's original point, there is also ref home cooking especially in a game like the Bears game, where a superior team is starting to separate and clearly run away with the game against the home team, early on. Which is what was happening against the Bears. Then the refs will gently "clip the wings" of the team that's starting to run away with the game, and say "nope, can't keep doing that," to slow the faster, better team down and give the other losing team a shot. That happens all the time, and not just with the Saints. But that's where stuff like your bad spots and your ticky tacky holding calls come into play. Halo likes this.

10-14-2013, 03:03 PM	#90
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Refs: Home Cooking? Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Since 2009, he’s worked one New England game per season — all of them wins for the Patriots.* - per WEEI (An Over the Top 24/7 Sports Talk, News Station in New England... It Is What It Is » Report: Tony Corrente will work as referee for Patriots-Saints And that is despite the fact that the Corrente officiating krewe did not always give less penalties against New England and that New England have been a relative powerhouse overall in that period. Tony Corrente NFL Official Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

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