NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)

[DrewBrees15]

Originally Posted by TheOak

So after a ton of Ingram threads we have come to the conclusion.

If the line doesn't block, he cant run. If the line blocks then he can run... Then again so could any RB.

Exactly, this is where all the angst comes from. Ingram didn't make any great cuts, break any tackles, do anything that any of our other backs couldn't have done on his way to his career day. We could have gotten this performance from an undrafted free agent - but we got it from a guy who cost us a first (2012) and second round (2011) pick. The angst is the opportunity cost given up that could have been used for much bigger needs.

[exile]

Originally Posted by DrewBrees15

Exactly, this is where all the angst comes from. Ingram didn't make any great cuts, break any tackles, do anything that any of our other backs couldn't have done on his way to his career day. We could have gotten this performance from an undrafted free agent - but we got it from a guy who cost us a first (2012) and second round (2011) pick. The angst is the opportunity cost given up to have something that we could have (and do have) a lot cheaper.

Well he sure hits the hole faster than our other RBs not named Sproles. While I agree to the o-line blocking/not blocking, when they do block I sure like to see a flash of 22 with his little legs churning through that hole. I find him a good change up to Sproles and PT23. With those 3 we should be ready for playoff celebrations.

Edit: I forgot to mention the Schlitz that will be required.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

So after a ton of Ingram threads we have come to the conclusion.

If the line doesn't block, he cant run. If the line blocks then he can run... Then again so could any RB.

I prefer to view it as I saw it.

When he got the hand-off, he was immediately surrounded by multiple defenders. When the other RB's got the hand-off, they were not immediately surrounded by defenders.

I don't care how or why that kept happening, but it had to stop. Against Dallas he wasn't immediately surrounded by defenders after the hand-off.

I don't know what changed with our blocking, or if anything changed, but when he wasn't surrounded by defenders 3 yards behind the line, he ran as expected.

It should also be noted that our other RB's did indeed struggle behind this O-line this year. He wasn't the only one who had a hard time.

[Saintaintso]

Originally Posted by DrewBrees15

Exactly, this is where all the angst comes from. Ingram didn't make any great cuts, break any tackles, do anything that any of our other backs couldn't have done on his way to his career day. We could have gotten this performance from an undrafted free agent - but we got it from a guy who cost us a first (2012) and second round (2011) pick. The angst is the opportunity cost given up that could have been used for much bigger needs.

This is by Far the stupidest thing I've heard today ... He Broke over 7 Tackles , Made 3 or 4 Great Cuts at the second level and never got tackled by just one defender , Before you open your mouth you should review the film ... It took on average 5 Cowboys to bring him down. Even on his 1 yard run the Announcer was amazed at how many Defenders it took to fully impede his progress. The guy Flat out looked like Adrian Peterson ... PT and Sproles got the same blocking but didn't average over 5 that game , INGRAM was a sure fire 1st down averaging 10 yards every time he got the ball ... How can one be this blind ?

The even sadder thing about this is , If we could've blocked for Reggie Like this , He would've been the USC Reggie Bush we all loved so much. Running backs don't have a say in how productive they are , they line does.

[Danno]

Intersting stat...

All of 2012 and 2013 combined
Sproles - 4.51 per carry
Thomas - 4.16 per carry
Ingram - 4.17 per carry

For just 2013...
Sproles - 3.7 per carry
Thomas - 3.8 per carry
Ingram - 5.6 per carry

[DrewBrees15]

I have watched the game twice and if you think he did anything Adrian Peterson like then I think we know who has blinders on. Even if he did every thing you said he did, was he worth the picks given?

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Danno

Intersting stat...

All of 2012 and 2013 combined
Sproles - 4.51 per carry
Thomas - 4.16 per carry
Ingram - 4.17 per carry

For just 2013...
Sproles - 3.7 per carry
Thomas - 3.8 per carry
Ingram - 5.6 per carry

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

Yep.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

This is by Far the stupidest thing I've heard today ...

That was uncalled for. So I'll reply, that's only because this is your first reply of the day.

[Utah_Saint]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.