NEW Mark Ingram thread (post Dallas)

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

So after a ton of Ingram threads we have come to the conclusion.

If the line doesn't block, he cant run. If the line blocks then he can run... Then again so could any RB.

I prefer to view it as I saw it.

When he got the hand-off, he was immediately surrounded by multiple defenders. When the other RB's got the hand-off, they were not immediately surrounded by defenders.

I don't care how or why that kept happening, but it had to stop. Against Dallas he wasn't immediately surrounded by defenders after the hand-off.

I don't know what changed with our blocking, or if anything changed, but when he wasn't surrounded by defenders 3 yards behind the line, he ran as expected.

It should also be noted that our other RB's did indeed struggle behind this O-line this year. He wasn't the only one who had a hard time.

[Danno]

Intersting stat...

All of 2012 and 2013 combined
Sproles - 4.51 per carry
Thomas - 4.16 per carry
Ingram - 4.17 per carry

For just 2013...
Sproles - 3.7 per carry
Thomas - 3.8 per carry
Ingram - 5.6 per carry

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Danno

Intersting stat...

All of 2012 and 2013 combined
Sproles - 4.51 per carry
Thomas - 4.16 per carry
Ingram - 4.17 per carry

For just 2013...
Sproles - 3.7 per carry
Thomas - 3.8 per carry
Ingram - 5.6 per carry

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

Yep.

[Utah_Saint]

Originally Posted by TheOak

Selective Data?

Ingram

2012 3.9 YPC
2011 3.9 YPC

Would you be against the thought that 2013 being only 4 games and 35 carries all season is a little weighted?

to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.

[TheOak]

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

to be fair...

Career
313 attempts - 1,271 yards - 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are average numbers for a running back. Not good, not bad, just about average.

And while Sundays great performance was only one game against a terrible defense, there are 29 more games in that average and some of those games were against very good defenses.

I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.

[Danno]

Originally Posted by TheOak

I have stated many times that Mark Ingram is an average running back, nothing more or less. Very few fans manage their expectations of him though.. He has 1 great game and he is compared to Marshawn Lynch.. fans are called haters... and we should all of a sudden turn over the work load to him. He has bad games and the opposite crowd says he needs to be traded, or benched.

If fans would recognize him for what he is there wouldn't be the roller coaster of reactions. He was a first round Heisman trophy winning draft pick and with that comes very high expectations, so in regards to expectations he has yet to succeed.

The difference between Ingram and Thomas is not YPC.. its that PT came in as an undrafted free agent and earned his passes by grinding out great running back play. Ingram came in as a first round draft pick and hasn't earned a pass on a bad game, or strung enough good games together to change many peoples perception of him, and that my friend is it in a nut shell.

For me personally, I view it as too many people claim he's a bust, he's awful, he's the worst in the NFL, cut him now.

I think what we're seeing is just a backlash against the extreme negativity and misinformed hate toward him earlier.

He's not nearly as "great" as some have recently suggested, but he damn sure was nowhere near as bad as many kept harping on.

And where he was drafted has nothing to do with how good or bad Mark Ingram is as a RB.

And PT isn't some cheap off the street RB anymore. He was given an 11 million contract a few years ago. Ingram is our 3rd highest paid RB behind Sproles/Thomas.

[rezburna]

I was ready to turn on Mark Ingram. I'll never doubt him again. I agree with Danno. He's usually met by a host of defenders. When he's not he's excellent. I also believe we need to keep him in there longer. He should only be rotated out when tired, or for Sproles plays.

[ChrisXVI]

I'm not an Ingram hater, but when we're not facing a horrible defense this weekend and his stat line reverts back to the usual 10 carries for 20 yards... I think we'll have a little more perspective again and not call people who have been critical of Ingram 'fair weather fans.'

[The Dude]

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I'm not an Ingram hater, but when we're not facing a horrible defense this weekend and his stat line reverts back to the usual 10 carries for 20 yards... I think we'll have a little more perspective again and not call people who have been critical of Ingram 'fair weather fans.'

Even if he does have a few decent games sprinkled in its not going to make up for the 3 years of crap he has shown us thus far.