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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; This makes for quite the conundrum. I wanted to draft defense again. But that is looking less and less like a priority. dlp has not impressed in a long time. Let's not forget that we have Armstead waiting in the ...
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
This makes for quite the conundrum. I wanted to draft defense again. But that is looking less and less like a priority. dlp has not impressed in a long time. Let's not forget that we have Armstead waiting in the wings.
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12-16-2013, 03:05 PM | #12 |
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
How many snaps has Armstead taken this season? I'm just wondering if there is any film on him.
But yes, great point. We need an upgrade at center in a bad way, and because were not the Dallas cowbys, we can get one somewhere after the first round and hopefully get another piece to compliment Jordan/Gallette |
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Yes and no... Watch old games of Drew under pressure, he stepped up into the pocket and let it collapse in the back of him, I have heard many an analyst (hate referencing analysts) comment on how good he is at stepping up into the pocket and taking the hit to stay on target.
This season more than most others we seem the pocket collapsing around the rear of the pocket but when drew steps up, instead of 3-4 feet he has only 1-2 feet and that's a lot shorter than the wingspan of an NFL player. Look at it from another angle, have you ever seen our RBs get nailed behind the line of scrimmage as much as you have seen it this year? Same logic, the defense resets the LoS 1-2 yards in the back field instead of us resetting it 1-2 yards on their side. Watch how strange the numbers get. (assumption being that a blitz is the most pressure) 9 INTs when not being blitzed 1 INT when being blitzed 14 sackes when Blitzed 16 sacks when not being blitzed QBR when not blitzed 101.1 QBR when being blitzed 112.9 Players stay back to block when there is a blitz, when there isnt its the line that isn't protecting him. Now this will blow your mind. Drew Brees Completion % with 2.5 sec or less in the pocket - 77.5% #1 in the NFL Drew Brees average time to Pass Attempt 2.64s 17th in the NFL Drew Brees average time to sack 3.63s only 2 QBS have shorter times Brady and Manning Oops sorry I lost track. I ran the numbers before but need to run them again. As i remember it drew is hit/sacked more by LB than any DEs. That points to DLP. |
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Originally Posted by saintsfan403
Everything I can find says he played Special teams against NE... Nothing else. That said, if Lolito is dressing out we wouldn't carry another lineman. Strief was out against NE wasn't he? |
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12-16-2013, 04:16 PM | #15 |
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I agree and this is why I stated in a post about three weeks ago, that the line began to deteriorate with loss of Goodwin to the 49ers and the failed signing of Kruetz. With Kruetz we were counting on him playing at a high level to match what we were getting in Goodwin.
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This is also why you build your football team from the inside out on both offense and defense. Center and Guards to open running lanes and set the picket, DT/NG to clog runnung lanes/occupy blockers and get push to collapse pocket.
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Thanks for finding that...I believe Strief was out that game, I would have to check back though.
I'm wondering how the whole Armstead experiment is going. He has the athleticism to be a hulluva player.... Back to DLP, I remember during the Tampa game when Ingram got stuffed at the goal line, it was DLP getting blown up and knocked 3 yards back. |
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Originally Posted by saintsfan403
We may have our answer soon since Coach Payton is looking at changing the LT.
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Originally Posted by TheOak
That exactly is what I am seeing. And while I appreciate your post very much ( and certainly learned some things ), it is hard for me to believe that the phenomenon you reference here is entirely the center's fault.
I think our entire O-line needs work. Offensively, everything really starts with the O-line. And, the way back-up and rookie QBs are playing this year -- kinda makes you wonder if O-line and skill positions' importance shouldn't be quite so over-shadowed, by the QB, from a financial perspective. Ya know what I mean? |
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