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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by TheOak Same logic, the defense resets the LoS 1-2 yards in the back field instead of us resetting it 1-2 yards on their side. That exactly is what I am seeing. And while I appreciate your post ...
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
Originally Posted by TheOak
That exactly is what I am seeing. And while I appreciate your post very much ( and certainly learned some things ), it is hard for me to believe that the phenomenon you reference here is entirely the center's fault.![]()
I think our entire O-line needs work. Offensively, everything really starts with the O-line. And, the way back-up and rookie QBs are playing this year -- kinda makes you wonder if O-line and skill positions' importance shouldn't be quite so over-shadowed, by the QB, from a financial perspective. Ya know what I mean? |
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Originally Posted by WHODATINCA
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Yes and no..... Most fans watch the ball and are relatively clueless as to who misses some blocks in the running game. Familiar with a "trap block"? ![]() For the sake of this discussion both sides are the same as in Right side o-line is over Right side d-line. Right Side DT crushes TB...... 98% of fans blame RT. The trap block means it was actually the LGs responsibility to block the RDT. Notice the black line crossing in front of the Center. With me so far? Yes you are. Now....... The complicated nuances of the offensive line. The Center comes off the ball and gets jammed at the line. When the LG pulls it's fast.... Very fast. Ball snapped, pivot right explode fast. He has to get to that RDT before that RB hits the hole. But chit... He pivoted ad exploded into the side of the Center because he didn't get out if the way, never made it to the RDT, and the RB was crushed at the line of scrimmage. Right tackle gets blamed or Right guard gets blamed The Left Guard missed the block It was all the Centers fault. If you are with me to this point you'll understand some of my past comments about the offensive line being more about how the group plays together than how good each of them are individually. It's synchronized swimming with 1600 pounds of beast. It's the 100 empty coke cans that hold up the man because they all pull their weight evenly. |
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I'm with you. That was really helpful and instructive, Oak. I see your point. Thank you.![]()
=========================================== Not sure if you saw this question: "Drew Brees average time to sack 3.63s only 2 QBS have shorter times Brady and Manning" Yep. That does blow my mind. Where did you get that from? What this suggests is that with a great QB, you don't have to have an amazing O-line. Is that what this stat suggests? |
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Your knowledge is beyond genius.
I am holding my breathe and stepping way from the gut punch from this weekend and The Oak, inspired me to relook at the path I started to descend because of a comment I heard on Sirus NFL about watching film. The Oak, please accept my respect and acknowledgement of the strongest tree in the forest. My personal motto is "Age quod agis". I have digested Pat Kerwin's book, Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look (2010). It is now my dog-eared football bible, pencil notes in the margin and water damage from relaxing in the bathtub. I think this acquired knowledge resulted in a different NFL experience this weekend in St. Louis. I don't like how I felt walking out of Edward Jones after the game last night. I had the luxury to choose my sight lines versus being fed by Fox Sports. I am considering NFL Rewind to dissect games. How do you do it? Your contributions compliment / enhance what Kirwan gave me on paper. |
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
This makes for quite the conundrum. I wanted to draft defense again. But that is looking less and less like a priority. dlp has not impressed in a long time. Let's not forget that we have Armstead waiting in the wings.
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How many snaps has Armstead taken this season? I'm just wondering if there is any film on him.
But yes, great point. We need an upgrade at center in a bad way, and because were not the Dallas cowbys, we can get one somewhere after the first round and hopefully get another piece to compliment Jordan/Gallette |
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Everything I can find says he played Special teams against NE... Nothing else. That said, if Lolito is dressing out we wouldn't carry another lineman. Strief was out against NE wasn't he? |
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Thanks for finding that...I believe Strief was out that game, I would have to check back though. ![]()
I'm wondering how the whole Armstead experiment is going. He has the athleticism to be a hulluva player.... Back to DLP, I remember during the Tampa game when Ingram got stuffed at the goal line, it was DLP getting blown up and knocked 3 yards back. |
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
Originally Posted by saintsfan403
We may have our answer soon since Coach Payton is looking at changing the LT.
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Re: Offensive Line (educational)
Originally Posted by TheOak
I agree and this is why I stated in a post about three weeks ago, that the line began to deteriorate with loss of Goodwin to the 49ers and the failed signing of Kruetz. With Kruetz we were counting on him playing at a high level to match what we were getting in Goodwin.
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