Offensive Line (educational)

WhoDatFan26 · 12-16-2013, 03:23 PM

This is also why you build your football team from the inside out on both offense and defense. Center and Guards to open running lanes and set the picket, DT/NG to clog runnung lanes/occupy blockers and get push to collapse pocket.

WhoDatFan26 · 12-16-2013, 04:42 PM

NFL Saints mulling personnel changes - ESPN
This story will shed light on my last post.

WHODATINCA · 12-16-2013, 04:58 PM

"Drew Brees average time to sack 3.63s only 2 QBS have shorter times Brady and Manning"

Yep. That does blow my mind. Where did you get that from? What this suggests is that with a great QB, you don't have to have an amazing O-line. Is that what this stat suggests?

RaginCajun83 · 12-16-2013, 05:09 PM

I'm all for replacing Brown and DLP but not the week of a game that can make or break the future of this post season

Danno · 12-16-2013, 05:53 PM

Also heard some analyst comment that the majority of pressure Drew received were stunts that confused our O-line.

We obviously had our fair share of getting beat man-on-man, but there were a lot of plays where our O-linemen were simply clueless who to block. And a lot of these were simple D-line stunts.

Kromer anyone?

TheOak · 12-16-2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Also heard some analyst comment that the majority of pressure Drew received were stunts that confused our O-line.

We obviously had our fair share of getting beat man-on-man, but there were a lot of plays where our O-linemen were simply clueless who to block. And a lot of these were simple D-line stunts.

Kromer anyone?

Kromer had us blocking man, down hill. His replacement brought in the zone blocking. Ingalls or Sean decided we switch to zone. It's like 2012 but on the opposite side of the ball. Scheme and players are not a match.

Danno · 12-16-2013, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Kromer had us blocking man, down hill. His replacement brought in the zone blocking. Ingalls or Sean decided we switch to zone. It's like 2012 but on the opposite side of the ball. Scheme and players are not a match.

I think its a perfect example of change for the sake of change backfiring on us.

We weren't great at run blocking in our previous man scheme, but we didn't totally suck either. So we changed to zone blocking thinking we'd improve, but we didn't, we actually got worse.

You'd think after the Spags debacle we'd learned our lesson about square pegs and round holes.

Crusader · 12-17-2013, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think its a perfect example of change for the sake of change backfiring on us.

We weren't great at run blocking in our previous man scheme, but we didn't totally suck either. So we changed to zone blocking thinking we'd improve, but we didn't, we actually got worse.

You'd think after the Spags debacle we'd learned our lesson about square pegs and round holes.

Zone is supposed to be a better scheme when you have players who are not great at man blocking in the running game. To block man you need maulers, especially in the middle but we don't have any since we lost Nicks, Faine, Goodwin etc. In the xone game you empoy a lot of double teams and cutblocks which usually makes it a better scheme for less physical linemen. I personally believe it is the implementation of the scheme that hasn't worked and not the scheme in itself.

triman · 12-16-2013, 05:57 PM

ALEX MACK FA TARGET . DRAFT RT OG.

TheOak · 12-16-2013, 05:57 PM

Here is another trap block... Notice the guard pulls all the way to the left defensive end.

12-16-2013, 03:23 PM	#1
WhoDatFan26 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 365	Re: Offensive Line (educational) This is also why you build your football team from the inside out on both offense and defense. Center and Guards to open running lanes and set the picket, DT/NG to clog runnung lanes/occupy blockers and get push to collapse pocket.
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12-16-2013, 04:42 PM	#2
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12-16-2013, 04:58 PM	#3
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Offensive Line (educational) "Drew Brees average time to sack 3.63s only 2 QBS have shorter times Brady and Manning" Yep. That does blow my mind. Where did you get that from? What this suggests is that with a great QB, you don't have to have an amazing O-line. Is that what this stat suggests?

12-16-2013, 05:09 PM	#4
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Offensive Line (educational) I'm all for replacing Brown and DLP but not the week of a game that can make or break the future of this post season Danno and WhoDat2301 like this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Also heard some analyst comment that the majority of pressure Drew received were stunts that confused our O-line. We obviously had our fair share of getting beat man-on-man, but there were a lot of plays where our O-linemen were simply clueless who to block. And a lot of these were simple D-line stunts. Kromer anyone?

12-16-2013, 06:03 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by Danno Also heard some analyst comment that the majority of pressure Drew received were stunts that confused our O-line. We obviously had our fair share of getting beat man-on-man, but there were a lot of plays where our O-linemen were simply clueless who to block. And a lot of these were simple D-line stunts. Kromer anyone? Kromer had us blocking man, down hill. His replacement brought in the zone blocking. Ingalls or Sean decided we switch to zone. It's like 2012 but on the opposite side of the ball. Scheme and players are not a match.

12-16-2013, 06:12 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by TheOak Kromer had us blocking man, down hill. His replacement brought in the zone blocking. Ingalls or Sean decided we switch to zone. It's like 2012 but on the opposite side of the ball. Scheme and players are not a match. I think its a perfect example of change for the sake of change backfiring on us. We weren't great at run blocking in our previous man scheme, but we didn't totally suck either. So we changed to zone blocking thinking we'd improve, but we didn't, we actually got worse. You'd think after the Spags debacle we'd learned our lesson about square pegs and round holes.

12-17-2013, 02:33 AM	#8
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by Danno I think its a perfect example of change for the sake of change backfiring on us. We weren't great at run blocking in our previous man scheme, but we didn't totally suck either. So we changed to zone blocking thinking we'd improve, but we didn't, we actually got worse. You'd think after the Spags debacle we'd learned our lesson about square pegs and round holes. Zone is supposed to be a better scheme when you have players who are not great at man blocking in the running game. To block man you need maulers, especially in the middle but we don't have any since we lost Nicks, Faine, Goodwin etc. In the xone game you empoy a lot of double teams and cutblocks which usually makes it a better scheme for less physical linemen. I personally believe it is the implementation of the scheme that hasn't worked and not the scheme in itself.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Here is another trap block... Notice the guard pulls all the way to the left defensive end.

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