Offensive Line (educational)

Danno · 12-16-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Here is another trap block... Notice the guard pulls all the way to the left defensive end.

Way too many hugs and kisses for my taste.

Good stuff Oak.

Schmohams · 12-16-2013, 06:06 PM

Here's to drafting the next Willie Roaf

Budsdrinker · 12-16-2013, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Schmohams

Here's to drafting the next Willie Roaf

I think we have him in Armstead and I heard he was receiving tips from Roaf since they were from the same part of Arkansas

nicebush25 · 12-16-2013, 09:35 PM

A question that should have been asked is, how important is the o-line coach. I would like to know seeing how we lost ours this year and there is a obvious decline in pass protection

leilung · 12-17-2013, 07:05 AM

When you gut your proven linemen all in the name of saving money for a monster QB salary, you get what you get... Hate to say it but I don't really believe Drew can hold up to the pounding he's going to take in the next few weeks.

It is, what it is....

TheOak · 12-17-2013, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

When you gut your proven linemen all in the name of saving money for a monster QB salary, you get what you get... Hate to say it but I don't really believe Drew can hold up to the pounding he's going to take in the next few weeks.

It is, what it is....

Sorry but this is where the BS has to come to an end.

Lost Goodwin and Stinchcomb in 2011 - nothing to do with Drews Contract
Lost Bushrod and Nicks in 2012 -Drews Contract was at the start of 2012 and his new contract lowered his 2012 cap from 11.7M to 10.4M so Nicks was not fall out of that.

Bushrod wanted more than he was worth period.

Suck it up ladies... This was the first year Drews contract effected anyone else.

Brown is starting because Brown was hurt and came back able to start.. not because we couldn't afford anyone else. DLP was starting before Drew's contract effected our cap and so was Grubs.

This thread will be educational, like it or not.

Danno · 12-17-2013, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sorry but this is where the BS has to come to an end.

Lost Goodwin and Stinchcomb in 2011 - nothing to do with Drews Contract
Lost Bushrod and Nicks in 2012 -Drews Contract was at the start of 2012 and his new contract lowered his 2012 cap from 11.7M to 10.4M so Nicks was not fall out of that.

Bushrod wanted more than he was worth period.

Suck it up ladies... This was the first year Drews contract effected anyone else.

Brown is starting because Brown was hurt and came back able to start.. not because we couldn't afford anyone else. DLP was starting before Drew's contract effected our cap and so was Grubs.

This thread will be educational, like it or not.

I think the only lineman it really affected was Nicks. But thats a two-way street. Brees' agent and Loomis couldn't get a deal worked out in time and we weren't able to franchise Nicks, or max out his deal.

So was it Drew's agent? Or was it Loomis?

Either way we still made a fair offer for Nicks, he even said so in the press. He chose to bolt for a few million more.

But yeah, the whole blame Drew's contract has to stop. If I had to blame anyone's contract I'd blame Will Smith's, Jonathan Vilma's and Roman Harper's. They added up to more cap than Drew's contract did.

Budsdrinker · 12-17-2013, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think the only lineman it really affected was Nicks. But thats a two-way street. Brees' agent and Loomis couldn't get a deal worked out in time and we weren't able to franchise Nicks, or max out his deal.

So was it Drew's agent? Or was it Loomis?

Either way we still made a fair offer for Nicks, he even said so in the press. He chose to bolt for a few million more.

But yeah, the whole blame Drew's contract has to stop. If I had to blame anyone's contract I'd blame Will Smith's, Jonathan Vilma's and Roman Harper's. They added up to more cap than Drew's contract did.

I wonder if Nicks had to do it all over again after what has happened to him in Tampa if he would have stayed for a couple million less.

Danno · 12-17-2013, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I wonder if Nicks had to do it all over again after what has happened to him in Tampa if he would have stayed for a couple million less.

I have no doubt he regrets that decision more than any he's ever made.

TheOak · 12-17-2013, 08:35 AM

Here is the catch.. Even if we matched Nicks offer would you be ok with paying 14.8M to nicks? That is his cap hit in 2012.
Carl Nicks Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions

So in 2012 Drews new contract opened up 1.3M and Nicks went from 2.6M in 2011 to 14.8M in 2012 +10.2 million Dollars. That is = to Jhari Evans and Colston combined.

17M Cap hit is too much for Drew but 15m is ok for a guard? Sorry, not buying that crapola.

12-16-2013, 05:59 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by TheOak Here is another trap block... Notice the guard pulls all the way to the left defensive end. Way too many hugs and kisses for my taste. Good stuff Oak. CoreyO likes this.

12-16-2013, 06:06 PM	#2
Schmohams 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 551	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Here's to drafting the next Willie Roaf

12-16-2013, 09:11 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by Schmohams Here's to drafting the next Willie Roaf I think we have him in Armstead and I heard he was receiving tips from Roaf since they were from the same part of Arkansas

12-16-2013, 09:35 PM	#4
nicebush25 lightly scented Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 142	Re: Offensive Line (educational) A question that should have been asked is, how important is the o-line coach. I would like to know seeing how we lost ours this year and there is a obvious decline in pass protection

12-17-2013, 07:05 AM	#5
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,431	Re: Offensive Line (educational) When you gut your proven linemen all in the name of saving money for a monster QB salary, you get what you get... Hate to say it but I don't really believe Drew can hold up to the pounding he's going to take in the next few weeks. It is, what it is....

12-17-2013, 08:15 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by leilung When you gut your proven linemen all in the name of saving money for a monster QB salary, you get what you get... Hate to say it but I don't really believe Drew can hold up to the pounding he's going to take in the next few weeks. It is, what it is.... Sorry but this is where the BS has to come to an end. Lost Goodwin and Stinchcomb in 2011 - nothing to do with Drews Contract Lost Bushrod and Nicks in 2012 -Drews Contract was at the start of 2012 and his new contract lowered his 2012 cap from 11.7M to 10.4M so Nicks was not fall out of that. Bushrod wanted more than he was worth period. Suck it up ladies... This was the first year Drews contract effected anyone else. Brown is starting because Brown was hurt and came back able to start.. not because we couldn't afford anyone else. DLP was starting before Drew's contract effected our cap and so was Grubs. This thread will be educational, like it or not. Danno likes this.
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12-17-2013, 08:25 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by TheOak Sorry but this is where the BS has to come to an end. Lost Goodwin and Stinchcomb in 2011 - nothing to do with Drews Contract Lost Bushrod and Nicks in 2012 -Drews Contract was at the start of 2012 and his new contract lowered his 2012 cap from 11.7M to 10.4M so Nicks was not fall out of that. Bushrod wanted more than he was worth period. Suck it up ladies... This was the first year Drews contract effected anyone else. Brown is starting because Brown was hurt and came back able to start.. not because we couldn't afford anyone else. DLP was starting before Drew's contract effected our cap and so was Grubs. This thread will be educational, like it or not. I think the only lineman it really affected was Nicks. But thats a two-way street. Brees' agent and Loomis couldn't get a deal worked out in time and we weren't able to franchise Nicks, or max out his deal. So was it Drew's agent? Or was it Loomis? Either way we still made a fair offer for Nicks, he even said so in the press. He chose to bolt for a few million more. But yeah, the whole blame Drew's contract has to stop. If I had to blame anyone's contract I'd blame Will Smith's, Jonathan Vilma's and Roman Harper's. They added up to more cap than Drew's contract did.

12-17-2013, 08:28 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by Danno I think the only lineman it really affected was Nicks. But thats a two-way street. Brees' agent and Loomis couldn't get a deal worked out in time and we weren't able to franchise Nicks, or max out his deal. So was it Drew's agent? Or was it Loomis? Either way we still made a fair offer for Nicks, he even said so in the press. He chose to bolt for a few million more. But yeah, the whole blame Drew's contract has to stop. If I had to blame anyone's contract I'd blame Will Smith's, Jonathan Vilma's and Roman Harper's. They added up to more cap than Drew's contract did. I wonder if Nicks had to do it all over again after what has happened to him in Tampa if he would have stayed for a couple million less.

12-17-2013, 08:30 AM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I wonder if Nicks had to do it all over again after what has happened to him in Tampa if he would have stayed for a couple million less. I have no doubt he regrets that decision more than any he's ever made.

12-17-2013, 08:35 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Offensive Line (educational) Here is the catch.. Even if we matched Nicks offer would you be ok with paying 14.8M to nicks? That is his cap hit in 2012. Carl Nicks Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & Transactions So in 2012 Drews new contract opened up 1.3M and Nicks went from 2.6M in 2011 to 14.8M in 2012 +10.2 million Dollars. That is = to Jhari Evans and Colston combined. 17M Cap hit is too much for Drew but 15m is ok for a guard? Sorry, not buying that crapola.

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