It's become very apparent

VillainAgain · 01-20-2014, 02:54 AM

the other guys have done the same but got little to no media attention. Rivers jawing at dbs lineman and linebackers alike, rodgers talks trash more then he should, He's tom brady on the nfc north the other teams show fight early but die always ,cushing and mathews are notorious for spitting in the face of players cushing is a puncher and sack grabber, riley cooper with the some how swept under the rug "I'll fight every NI__ER here" comment he made earlier this year all character issues. I feel the same way we don't need to mold after them we just need to improve our offensive line and add a few speed elements to our offense I feel we can do so in the draft and get the air show right on track

Jamessr · 01-20-2014, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

Officiating put Seattle in the SB this year to give Peyton Manning a free ride at the Lombardi.

They did in 2006, they did in 2009 although it backfired. They doing it again this year.

You don't really think football is rigged do you?

Vrillon82 · 01-20-2014, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

You don't really think football is rigged do you?

I hate to think it.

But I believe its been rigged for a good part of 15-16 years if not longer.

I try to not pay attention to it, but its hard not to when you see so many glaring problems that pop up, most of it with the league.

Fantasy Football
Story Lines created by the media
Vegas
Officiating
Roger Goodell
Spygate where evidence was destroyed
Patriots winning 3 SBs following 9-11.

I will admit to something else, I have watched Wrestling as long as I have football, the similarities are there, difference is, players are not jobbing to other players or teams. Although you can make a case for the Atl/Car game in Week 16.

I still never figured out how the NFC sends so many different teams to the SB in the last 15 years (basically all but Dallas, Minny, Wash, and Detroit) all while the AFC only sends about 5 different teams in that time span compared to the NFCs what is it? 10-11 teams?

Perhaps alot of it has to do with NFL and its marketing of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who has been in the SB 8 of those 15 years.

Everytime Peyton Manning has went into the SB, its an easy team.

2006 - Bears
2009 - Saints (thought this would be easy for Indy) Backfired.
2013 - Seahawks

I guarantee you and I would bet money on it, Denver will blow out Seattle by 20-25+ pts.

Much like Pittsburgh 2 titles the last decade off Arizona and Seattle. Theirs plenty stories behind the Rooneys as it is.

you cant make this **** up either.

VillainAgain · 01-20-2014, 04:06 AM

I dunno man thats one hell of a script if it is i think the ref's can rig games but for every single ball to bounce a certain way for a special interest i'm not buying that, i think the league/roger have favorites in each matchup thats why they keep giving us bs crews like ed hochuli an his bunch to throw a monkey wrench in our games but ultimately the teams that execute win

Vrillon82 · 01-20-2014, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

I dunno man thats one hell of a script if it is i think the ref's can rig games but for every single ball to bounce a certain way for a special interest i'm not buying that, i think the league/roger have favorites in each matchup thats why they keep giving us bs crews like ed hochuli an his bunch to throw a monkey wrench in our games but ultimately the teams that execute win

It is if it is a script, but I believe things that are planned to happen can sometimes backfire to. I dont believe we were suppose to win the SB over Indy, then comes all this crap about Bountygate that could prove nothing and they took Sean Payton out for a year. Its almost like Goodell is telling them to play how we want you to play or suffer the consequences.

I think the NFL has too much politicking in it, I think this is where its coming from. It begun after the Salary cap took hold and fresh players were drafted 4-5 years after the Salary Cap era took hold and the older ones were out the door.

lets also be honest, most fans deep down sense these games are rigged going all the way to the SB. I cant help but think that Seattles SB berth is a makeup for the one they lost when they handed Pittsburgh the Lombardi. Seems like how the league is working, scratch my back I scratch your, screw me and I screw you.

Exxcalibur · 01-20-2014, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

I agree I like my team with it's own identity and one respectable when Sean and Drew came in to town we started this quick strike west coast style spread you find other teams trying to emulate I like the little to no media distractions we get from our players it makes long weeks a bit longer bit i can live with that. I disagree with the Thugged out remark only because its being used out of context, a thug is a one who robs and steals beats innocent people. Football players aren't thugs they compete in the hardest sport on Earth their adrenaline pumping raging testosterone so if they show extra aggression doesn't make them thugs it shows character flaws. They may come from bad neighborhoods do some highly questionable things but thats a persons character. To basically brand ethnic players thugs is an issue deeply embedded in our society we need to do away with. Bill Romanowski, Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews Aaron Rodgers, Riley Cooper, Philip Rivers they all do similar if not identical behavior as said "thugs" do and somehow they aren't "thugs" so in general i don't agree with the misuse of the term yes they are huge Aholes going beyond the game just not thugs call a spade a spade

Loving that avatar....

Saintaintso · 01-20-2014, 05:35 AM

Did I refer to any saying we needed thugs ? Negative ... I said there is a clear drop off of talent when playing physical teams ... We are soft , and what they say about us is apparent and true ... From the gate we are in damage control mode against physical teams and it shows , we play different , we play intimidated

I say physical and automatically think of thugs ? Give me a team of physical freaks you can keep the finesse offense because against the cream of the crop it don't work !!!

We had like a 5 game lead in our division and lost to a team we had no business losing to because they play with a chip on their shoulders ( Carolina ) ... And your going to tell me were just fine ???

Blasphemy !!!!

papz · 01-20-2014, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

If we're going to win another bowl ... We're either going through the Seahawks or the 49ers. If we hope to compete with them we need to overhaul our team. We've already gotten a head start with the resurgence of our defense led by Rob Ryan. Now It's time for the offense to step to the plate. The conservative way of thinking has served us well in developing players that weren't immediate eye openers at first. But our lack of talent is very apparent when playing top-level competition. No matter which way you spin it as of right now we don't have the personnel to compete with the Patrick Willis's of the world nor the Richard Sherman's nor the Aldon Smith's. In the past we have moderately pursued talent that fell to us this time around keeping Brees's clock in mind we need to aggressively pursue weapons.

We need to quit being so doggone nice and start besting folks so bad the talk about running up the score becomes a problem again.

Trade up , sign superstars let's make some darn noise !

You've got it all backwards. They didn't get where they are today because they've spent the most money or traded up in drafts, they've done so by being able to develop the players they've drafted and creating a system to get the most out of their players.

Budsdrinker · 01-20-2014, 08:43 AM

Both the 49ers and Seachickens have young QB's that cost them under $500,000 which allowed them to signed talent on defense. Once these rookie contracts are done or they start holding out for new deals, the money will disappear for the defensive talent they have now. By the way in that game yesterday niners probably lost Bowman for 2014 with torn ACL which will make their defense a lot softer and I would bet some seachickens jump ship for bigger pay after the superbowl.

TheOak · 01-20-2014, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Saintaintso

If we're going to win another bowl ... We're either going through the Seahawks or the 49ers. If we hope to compete with them we need to overhaul our team. We've already gotten a head start with the resurgence of our defense led by Rob Ryan. Now It's time for the offense to step to the plate. The conservative way of thinking has served us well in developing players that weren't immediate eye openers at first. But our lack of talent is very apparent when playing top-level competition. No matter which way you spin it as of right now we don't have the personnel to compete with the Patrick Willis's of the world nor the Richard Sherman's nor the Aldon Smith's. In the past we have moderately pursued talent that fell to us this time around keeping Brees's clock in mind we need to aggressively pursue weapons.

We need to quit being so doggone nice and start besting folks so bad the talk about running up the score becomes a problem again.

Trade up , sign superstars let's make some darn noise !

Not disagreeing, just making some valid discussion points.

We are not in a cap situation to sign superstars unless you are willing to part with Graham?

When you say Brees clock... Manning and Brady both have a couple of years on Drew, do either look like their clock is about to expire? I would say they each have 3+ years left so that would put Drew around 4-5 years left on his clock.

As far as for the apparent because of this year, Seattle is about to be extremely hard up against the cap with free agency. Look at SFs free agents in 2015
San Francisco 49ers Free Agents - 2015

Every year someone wins the Superbowl and every year teams that were in the final 4-5 teams fall off the radar... Falling off the radar will happen to both teams in the next 2 years.

01-20-2014, 02:54 AM	#11
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01-20-2014, 03:41 AM	#12
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by Vrillon82 Officiating put Seattle in the SB this year to give Peyton Manning a free ride at the Lombardi. They did in 2006, they did in 2009 although it backfired. They doing it again this year. You don't really think football is rigged do you? ScottF likes this.

01-20-2014, 03:50 AM	#13
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by Jamessr You don't really think football is rigged do you? I hate to think it. But I believe its been rigged for a good part of 15-16 years if not longer. I try to not pay attention to it, but its hard not to when you see so many glaring problems that pop up, most of it with the league. Fantasy Football Story Lines created by the media Vegas Officiating Roger Goodell Spygate where evidence was destroyed Patriots winning 3 SBs following 9-11. I will admit to something else, I have watched Wrestling as long as I have football, the similarities are there, difference is, players are not jobbing to other players or teams. Although you can make a case for the Atl/Car game in Week 16. I still never figured out how the NFC sends so many different teams to the SB in the last 15 years (basically all but Dallas, Minny, Wash, and Detroit) all while the AFC only sends about 5 different teams in that time span compared to the NFCs what is it? 10-11 teams? Perhaps alot of it has to do with NFL and its marketing of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who has been in the SB 8 of those 15 years. Everytime Peyton Manning has went into the SB, its an easy team. 2006 - Bears 2009 - Saints (thought this would be easy for Indy) Backfired. 2013 - Seahawks I guarantee you and I would bet money on it, Denver will blow out Seattle by 20-25+ pts. Much like Pittsburgh 2 titles the last decade off Arizona and Seattle. Theirs plenty stories behind the Rooneys as it is. you cant make this **** up either.
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01-20-2014, 04:06 AM	#14
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: It's become very apparent I dunno man thats one hell of a script if it is i think the ref's can rig games but for every single ball to bounce a certain way for a special interest i'm not buying that, i think the league/roger have favorites in each matchup thats why they keep giving us bs crews like ed hochuli an his bunch to throw a monkey wrench in our games but ultimately the teams that execute win Halo, UK_WhoDat and K Major like this.
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01-20-2014, 04:13 AM	#15
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by VillainAgain I dunno man thats one hell of a script if it is i think the ref's can rig games but for every single ball to bounce a certain way for a special interest i'm not buying that, i think the league/roger have favorites in each matchup thats why they keep giving us bs crews like ed hochuli an his bunch to throw a monkey wrench in our games but ultimately the teams that execute win It is if it is a script, but I believe things that are planned to happen can sometimes backfire to. I dont believe we were suppose to win the SB over Indy, then comes all this crap about Bountygate that could prove nothing and they took Sean Payton out for a year. Its almost like Goodell is telling them to play how we want you to play or suffer the consequences. I think the NFL has too much politicking in it, I think this is where its coming from. It begun after the Salary cap took hold and fresh players were drafted 4-5 years after the Salary Cap era took hold and the older ones were out the door. lets also be honest, most fans deep down sense these games are rigged going all the way to the SB. I cant help but think that Seattles SB berth is a makeup for the one they lost when they handed Pittsburgh the Lombardi. Seems like how the league is working, scratch my back I scratch your, screw me and I screw you.
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01-20-2014, 05:31 AM	#16
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by VillainAgain I agree I like my team with it's own identity and one respectable when Sean and Drew came in to town we started this quick strike west coast style spread you find other teams trying to emulate I like the little to no media distractions we get from our players it makes long weeks a bit longer bit i can live with that. I disagree with the Thugged out remark only because its being used out of context, a thug is a one who robs and steals beats innocent people. Football players aren't thugs they compete in the hardest sport on Earth their adrenaline pumping raging testosterone so if they show extra aggression doesn't make them thugs it shows character flaws. They may come from bad neighborhoods do some highly questionable things but thats a persons character. To basically brand ethnic players thugs is an issue deeply embedded in our society we need to do away with. Bill Romanowski, Brian Cushing, Clay Mathews Aaron Rodgers, Riley Cooper, Philip Rivers they all do similar if not identical behavior as said "thugs" do and somehow they aren't "thugs" so in general i don't agree with the misuse of the term yes they are huge Aholes going beyond the game just not thugs call a spade a spade Loving that avatar....

01-20-2014, 05:35 AM	#17
Saintaintso 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 937	Re: It's become very apparent Did I refer to any saying we needed thugs ? Negative ... I said there is a clear drop off of talent when playing physical teams ... We are soft , and what they say about us is apparent and true ... From the gate we are in damage control mode against physical teams and it shows , we play different , we play intimidated I say physical and automatically think of thugs ? Give me a team of physical freaks you can keep the finesse offense because against the cream of the crop it don't work !!! We had like a 5 game lead in our division and lost to a team we had no business losing to because they play with a chip on their shoulders ( Carolina ) ... And your going to tell me were just fine ??? Blasphemy !!!! OldMaid likes this.
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01-20-2014, 08:21 AM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by Saintaintso If we're going to win another bowl ... We're either going through the Seahawks or the 49ers. If we hope to compete with them we need to overhaul our team. We've already gotten a head start with the resurgence of our defense led by Rob Ryan. Now It's time for the offense to step to the plate. The conservative way of thinking has served us well in developing players that weren't immediate eye openers at first. But our lack of talent is very apparent when playing top-level competition. No matter which way you spin it as of right now we don't have the personnel to compete with the Patrick Willis's of the world nor the Richard Sherman's nor the Aldon Smith's. In the past we have moderately pursued talent that fell to us this time around keeping Brees's clock in mind we need to aggressively pursue weapons. We need to quit being so doggone nice and start besting folks so bad the talk about running up the score becomes a problem again. Trade up , sign superstars let's make some darn noise ! You've got it all backwards. They didn't get where they are today because they've spent the most money or traded up in drafts, they've done so by being able to develop the players they've drafted and creating a system to get the most out of their players. Halo and ScottF like this.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: It's become very apparent Both the 49ers and Seachickens have young QB's that cost them under $500,000 which allowed them to signed talent on defense. Once these rookie contracts are done or they start holding out for new deals, the money will disappear for the defensive talent they have now. By the way in that game yesterday niners probably lost Bowman for 2014 with torn ACL which will make their defense a lot softer and I would bet some seachickens jump ship for bigger pay after the superbowl.

01-20-2014, 09:07 AM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: It's become very apparent Originally Posted by Saintaintso If we're going to win another bowl ... We're either going through the Seahawks or the 49ers. If we hope to compete with them we need to overhaul our team. We've already gotten a head start with the resurgence of our defense led by Rob Ryan. Now It's time for the offense to step to the plate. The conservative way of thinking has served us well in developing players that weren't immediate eye openers at first. But our lack of talent is very apparent when playing top-level competition. No matter which way you spin it as of right now we don't have the personnel to compete with the Patrick Willis's of the world nor the Richard Sherman's nor the Aldon Smith's. In the past we have moderately pursued talent that fell to us this time around keeping Brees's clock in mind we need to aggressively pursue weapons. We need to quit being so doggone nice and start besting folks so bad the talk about running up the score becomes a problem again. Trade up , sign superstars let's make some darn noise ! Not disagreeing, just making some valid discussion points. We are not in a cap situation to sign superstars unless you are willing to part with Graham? When you say Brees clock... Manning and Brady both have a couple of years on Drew, do either look like their clock is about to expire? I would say they each have 3+ years left so that would put Drew around 4-5 years left on his clock. As far as for the apparent because of this year, Seattle is about to be extremely hard up against the cap with free agency. Look at SFs free agents in 2015 San Francisco 49ers Free Agents - 2015 Every year someone wins the Superbowl and every year teams that were in the final 4-5 teams fall off the radar... Falling off the radar will happen to both teams in the next 2 years. Halo and ScottF like this.
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