Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

hagan714 · 02-26-2014, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

If he's really asking for that kind of money, I'd trade him on draft day for a couple 1st rounders

houston or oakland would easily give up their pick for JG

hmmm maybe. i would look at team that is close to making a push in the playoff and here is were the list gets really short has the cap room

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

If he's really asking for that kind of money, I'd trade him on draft day for a couple 1st rounders

houston or oakland would easily give up their pick for JG

How are you going to trade him on Draft Day? What do you have to trade? JG will be a free agent before the draft.

Ive covered the sign him to trade him scenario. Your going to give him 12m a year to sign him?

This is what a 12m/year contract looks like.
Chris Long Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile

As soon as you trade him you have at least 12m in dead money for this season.

hagan714 · 02-26-2014, 09:04 AM

March 3 - tagged

his move appeal - close call either way. TE vs WR

he let it be known he is not happy and the saints are not either but we will not let him walk.

now the vibes go out. the saints and grahams agent get calls on sign and trade deals.

May 8th we get our answer.

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

March 3 - tagged

his move appeal - close call either way. TE vs WR

he let it be known he is not happy and the saints are not either but we will not let him walk.

now the vibes go out. the saints and grahams agent get calls on sign and trade deals.

May 8th we get our answer.

I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread.

Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout.

If he signs a TE tag of 6.7m or a WR tag of 11.6M, as soon as you trade him you will have no Jimmy graham but will have either 6.7m or 11.6m in dead money. A tag is guaranteed money, it does not follow the player.

Your scenario leaves you with no Jimmy Graham and your cap space went from +7m to either dead broke or 4m over the cap. Either way what do you have to sign what you traded him for?

Jack Vegas · 02-26-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread.

Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout.

You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay.

AsylumGuido · 02-26-2014, 11:14 AM

Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.

Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end.

This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant.

Jack Vegas · 02-26-2014, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.

I agree with this. There is going to be a lot of posturing from both sides. They will eventually get a reasonable deal done. I think we're all just thinking worst-case scenario.

Danno · 02-26-2014, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now.

First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded.

Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end.

This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant.

Correct, I should have titled this thread "Jimmy Sexton demanding 12 million per season".

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay.

Read what you quoted. "He walks home as a hold out". The player can refuse to sign the tender which is what Drew Brees did.

Brees and Grahams situations are not that different except few people wanted to let Brees go. They both had unresolved issues concerning their tag going into it. Jimmy is the TE/WR issue, and Drew had the 2nd ve 1st Tag issue.

"When tagged, players have few options. They can sign the tender, as Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson did earlier this offseason, and hope that negotiations on a new deal will continue in earnest, which, for Jackson, they did. They can sign it, take the cash and hope for the best in the next offseason. Or they can refuse to sign the tender and try to force the team's hand by holding out."
The franchise tag is a tender issue for NFL stars - ESPN

hagan714 · 02-27-2014, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread.

Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout.

If he signs a TE tag of 6.7m or a WR tag of 11.6M, as soon as you trade him you will have no Jimmy graham but will have either 6.7m or 11.6m in dead money. A tag is guaranteed money, it does not follow the player.

Your scenario leaves you with no Jimmy Graham and your cap space went from +7m to either dead broke or 4m over the cap. Either way what do you have to sign what you traded him for?

as long as you tag him - he is it!

whether he agrees or not to sign it is another issue all together but he is tagged and can not sign with another team without our blessing. but he can look for deals all day long BUT his azz is ours till 2015.

If we win and gets tagged as TE he is stuck. now you have a year to work things out while he plays or he sits home for a year which makes him damage goods across the NFL

If he gets the WR tag numbers you appeal asap. drag it through the mud if you can till after the draft. teams are allotted time to react to such a decision.

or see if a reasonable deal can be reach
or a trading partner found
or bend over and take for a year and start cutting/trading players to keep graham. Then watch the dead cap money explode. or maybe not
Or then again you can always let him walk and accept the comp pick.

pick your poison

02-26-2014, 08:29 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by dizzle88 If he's really asking for that kind of money, I'd trade him on draft day for a couple 1st rounders houston or oakland would easily give up their pick for JG hmmm maybe. i would look at team that is close to making a push in the playoff and here is were the list gets really short has the cap room

02-26-2014, 08:35 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by dizzle88 If he's really asking for that kind of money, I'd trade him on draft day for a couple 1st rounders houston or oakland would easily give up their pick for JG How are you going to trade him on Draft Day? What do you have to trade? JG will be a free agent before the draft. Ive covered the sign him to trade him scenario. Your going to give him 12m a year to sign him? This is what a 12m/year contract looks like. Chris Long Salary Cap, Contracts, Salaries, Cap Hits, & News Profile As soon as you trade him you have at least 12m in dead money for this season.

02-26-2014, 09:04 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? March 3 - tagged his move appeal - close call either way. TE vs WR he let it be known he is not happy and the saints are not either but we will not let him walk. now the vibes go out. the saints and grahams agent get calls on sign and trade deals. May 8th we get our answer.

02-26-2014, 09:12 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by hagan714 March 3 - tagged his move appeal - close call either way. TE vs WR he let it be known he is not happy and the saints are not either but we will not let him walk. now the vibes go out. the saints and grahams agent get calls on sign and trade deals. May 8th we get our answer. I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread. Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout. If he signs a TE tag of 6.7m or a WR tag of 11.6M, as soon as you trade him you will have no Jimmy graham but will have either 6.7m or 11.6m in dead money. A tag is guaranteed money, it does not follow the player. Your scenario leaves you with no Jimmy Graham and your cap space went from +7m to either dead broke or 4m over the cap. Either way what do you have to sign what you traded him for?
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-26-2014, 10:57 AM	#5
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by TheOak I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread. Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout. You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay.
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02-26-2014, 11:14 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now. First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded. Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end. This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant. SaintFanInATLHELL, papz and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-26-2014, 11:20 AM	#7
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now. First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded. I agree with this. There is going to be a lot of posturing from both sides. They will eventually get a reasonable deal done. I think we're all just thinking worst-case scenario.
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02-26-2014, 11:20 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Geez. It seems that more of you would have a grasp of how contract negotiations work by now. First of all, any figure that is leaked out to the media about a salary demand does not come from the player. It comes solely from the agent. All of this vitriol toward Graham is totally unfounded. Secondly, every negotiation begins with an unobtainable figure being offered up by both parties. Graham's agent isn't doing his job if he does not begin with a highball number. Rest assured that Loomis will start out with a figure that is equally unreasonable on the low end. This is only beginning and will most likely not be resolved until Loomis knows exactly what he has to work with. That cannot happen until after free agency and the rookie draft has concluded. Contracts will be needed to be restructured and decision on who will be retained and who will be cut must take place first. This will linger well into the summer months, so relax and save your venom for something more relevant. Correct, I should have titled this thread "Jimmy Sexton demanding 12 million per season".

02-26-2014, 11:27 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You can't refuse the exclusive tag. You can refuse to sign the accompanying contract, which means you won't play for the team. But you can't sign with another team either. He would have to sit at home for the whole season without pay. Read what you quoted. "He walks home as a hold out". The player can refuse to sign the tender which is what Drew Brees did. Brees and Grahams situations are not that different except few people wanted to let Brees go. They both had unresolved issues concerning their tag going into it. Jimmy is the TE/WR issue, and Drew had the 2nd ve 1st Tag issue. "When tagged, players have few options. They can sign the tender, as Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson did earlier this offseason, and hope that negotiations on a new deal will continue in earnest, which, for Jackson, they did. They can sign it, take the cash and hope for the best in the next offseason. Or they can refuse to sign the tender and try to force the team's hand by holding out." The franchise tag is a tender issue for NFL stars - ESPN
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-27-2014, 04:15 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by TheOak I may have not been clear when i explained it previously in another thread. Have you taken into account that "tagged" is meaningless unless Jimmy agrees to it? If he doesn't sign that tag he is not tagged. You cant stop him from walking, he either walks to another team or walks home as a holdout. If he signs a TE tag of 6.7m or a WR tag of 11.6M, as soon as you trade him you will have no Jimmy graham but will have either 6.7m or 11.6m in dead money. A tag is guaranteed money, it does not follow the player. Your scenario leaves you with no Jimmy Graham and your cap space went from +7m to either dead broke or 4m over the cap. Either way what do you have to sign what you traded him for? as long as you tag him - he is it! whether he agrees or not to sign it is another issue all together but he is tagged and can not sign with another team without our blessing. but he can look for deals all day long BUT his azz is ours till 2015. If we win and gets tagged as TE he is stuck. now you have a year to work things out while he plays or he sits home for a year which makes him damage goods across the NFL If he gets the WR tag numbers you appeal asap. drag it through the mud if you can till after the draft. teams are allotted time to react to such a decision. or see if a reasonable deal can be reach or a trading partner found or bend over and take for a year and start cutting/trading players to keep graham. Then watch the dead cap money explode. or maybe not Or then again you can always let him walk and accept the comp pick. pick your poison
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