Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down.

I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

Exactly.

Utah_Saint · 03-01-2014, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down.

I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers?

Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns?
Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns
Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns.

And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than;
Antonio Brown
Roddy White
Jordy Nelson
DeSean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Julio Jones....

Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns.

I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind.

And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him.

Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL.

Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year.

Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers?

Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns?
Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns
Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns.

And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than;
Antonio Brown
Roddy White
Jordy Nelson
DeSean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Julio Jones....

Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns.

I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind.

And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him.

Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL.

Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year.

Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess.

lee909 · 03-01-2014, 01:57 PM

If it was easy to do what Jimmy does for the WR then why does nobody line them up to play like Jimmy does.IMO we are witnessing the TE position transitioning from the Blocker-Catcher to the Catcher-Blocker.Five years down the road and you will see more Graham size/build TE than the traditional big blockers

AlaskaSaints · 03-01-2014, 02:01 PM

Just like a high-maintenance woman you can't afford; you love her for a while and you LET HER GO.

Alaska

lee909 · 03-01-2014, 02:02 PM

Surely that depends on who she is.
Id dig myself into the national debt of the UK for a few weeks with Kate Upton

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

If it was easy to do what Jimmy does for the WR then why does nobody line them up to play like Jimmy does.IMO we are witnessing the TE position transitioning from the Blocker-Catcher to the Catcher-Blocker.Five years down the road and you will see more Graham size/build TE than the traditional big blockers

Jimmy Graham isn't breaking the mold. We've seen him before. Shannon Sharpe. Tony Gonzalez. Vernon Davis. Etc.

lee909 · 03-01-2014, 03:16 PM

Jimmy Grahams worst statistic season is on par with Davis best and pretty much the same as Sharpes best.

TheOak · 03-01-2014, 03:22 PM

Someone somewhere is tired of her crap no matter how beautiful you think she is.

Jimmy is not a WR, he is a TE. Therefore he must be graded as performing a TEs tasks and you know where that is going...... He can't block.

Anyone been to New Iberia in the 80's and 90's? Doesn't matter what tags you saw on those Mustangs, they were not Saleens.

No matter what tag falls on Jimmy he is not a WR.

If you think his stats make him a WR, then Pierre Thomas had 77 receptions and 513 yards. That's Reggie Wayne money 5.83m/year. PT had more yards and TDs.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...false/count/81

Utah_Saint · 03-01-2014, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Someone somewhere is tired of her crap no matter how beautiful you think she is.

Jimmy is not a WR, he is a TE. Therefore he must be graded as performing a TEs tasks and you know where that is going...... He can't block.

Anyone been to New Iberia in the 80's and 90's? Doesn't matter what tags you saw on those Mustangs, they were not Saleens.

No matter what tag falls on Jimmy he is not a WR.

If you think his stats make him a WR, then Pierre Thomas had 77 receptions and 513 yards. That's Reggie Wayne money 5.83m/year. PT had more yards and TDs.
2013 NFL Player Receiving Stats - National Football League - ESPN

If Pierre lines up at wide receiver twice as often as he lines up in the backfield then yes, he has a legit claim at the designation. Espcially if it means an extra $5 million a year.

03-01-2014, 12:31 PM	#111
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by blackangold Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down. I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again. Exactly.

03-01-2014, 01:45 PM	#112
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by blackangold Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down. I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again. Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers? Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns? Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns. And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than; Antonio Brown Roddy White Jordy Nelson DeSean Jackson Pierre Garcon Julio Jones.... Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns. I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind. And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him. Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL. Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year. Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers? Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns? Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns. And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than; Antonio Brown Roddy White Jordy Nelson DeSean Jackson Pierre Garcon Julio Jones.... Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns. I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind. And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him. Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL. Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year. Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together. Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by lee909 If it was easy to do what Jimmy does for the WR then why does nobody line them up to play like Jimmy does.IMO we are witnessing the TE position transitioning from the Blocker-Catcher to the Catcher-Blocker.Five years down the road and you will see more Graham size/build TE than the traditional big blockers Jimmy Graham isn't breaking the mold. We've seen him before. Shannon Sharpe. Tony Gonzalez. Vernon Davis. Etc.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by TheOak Someone somewhere is tired of her crap no matter how beautiful you think she is. Jimmy is not a WR, he is a TE. Therefore he must be graded as performing a TEs tasks and you know where that is going...... He can't block. Anyone been to New Iberia in the 80's and 90's? Doesn't matter what tags you saw on those Mustangs, they were not Saleens. No matter what tag falls on Jimmy he is not a WR. If you think his stats make him a WR, then Pierre Thomas had 77 receptions and 513 yards. That's Reggie Wayne money 5.83m/year. PT had more yards and TDs. 2013 NFL Player Receiving Stats - National Football League - ESPN If Pierre lines up at wide receiver twice as often as he lines up in the backfield then yes, he has a legit claim at the designation. Espcially if it means an extra $5 million a year.

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