Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

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Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs
Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well.

Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham.

And the 12m cap hit, meaning we have to cut at least 6m more in players, not resign any free agents, and cant afford to pay a practice squad or players we draft?

papz · 02-26-2014, 03:53 PM

I find the idea of signing Alex Mack, a center to a 8-9 million dollar yearly contract more absurd than hypothetically paying Graham 12 million.

The big difference is that's what it's going to take to sign Mack while Graham is certainly not going to get 12 million per.

I still can't understand why people think signing Graham is going to cripple us or something... as if we're still not going to be able to sign free agents. We were in a tight cap situation last year and it didn't prevent us from signing Lewis.

This reeks of the PT thread where people started rag dolling Pierre Thomas for what he supposedly wanted the other year... and got nothing remotely close to it.

brees84 · 02-26-2014, 03:57 PM

Charles Clay, Jordan Cameron, Jared Cook, Jordan Reed... They all would look great in our system. It's not just Jimmy. Drew Brees at QB, offensive mastermind calling plays, other versatile players on offense that make your job easier...
Great player but it would't be end of the world if he leaves.

exile · 02-26-2014, 03:58 PM

Love it or hate it the Saints have already said they would pay Graham more than $9m (Gronk money). It's only logical that his agents now start at $12m. It's how negotiations work.

Saints | Willing to pay Jimmy Graham more than Rob Gronkowski - NFL Hot off the Wire

So $3m difference will get setting in between is my predication. $10.5m per season for 6 years. Saints want him. They'll figure it out.

halloween 65 · 02-26-2014, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

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Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs
Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

Despite all the games Graham "disappeared in" he still had a 1000 yard season, which is something like less than 5 TEs have ever done. And Graham's already done it twice in his very young career. He is the best TE in the game, it's really not a debate. And he's not a product of Payton's system. He's a 6'7 TE with insane speed and athleticism at the position. He could put up 1K seasons wherever he goes.

There were some games this year he didn't put up the stats, but he also dealt with a lingering injury. Let's not forget he's still pretty new to the game of football. He's only played it in organized fashion for four years. He still has a lot of room to grow, which is insane to think about.

We'd be crazy to let him walk away. Thankfully our front office seems to agree with me.

lee909 · 02-26-2014, 04:16 PM

If it is 12ml you have a shot at resigning Strief and most of the money for Mack,Verner,Grimes,Davis,Talib,Shields,Thurmond.

Im not saying id like to see Jimmy gone but if the money is too high the team always comes first

Rugby Saint II · 02-26-2014, 04:34 PM

Sign him to league minimum and see if he improves.

AsylumGuido · 02-26-2014, 04:41 PM

Let's just say that I feel infinitely more comfortable with Loomis handling this than, God forbid, any of you (or myself). As much as any of us believe we know about personnel decisions, NONE of us knows a flea pecker's worth as compared to Loomis and Payton. None of us.

Now y'all can pontificate endlessly about Graham's worth, but nothing that you or any of us says on the subject is more than meaningless chatter.

02-26-2014, 03:41 PM	#61
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc.. ??? Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

02-26-2014, 03:48 PM	#62
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well. Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham. And the 12m cap hit, meaning we have to cut at least 6m more in players, not resign any free agents, and cant afford to pay a practice squad or players we draft? B_Dub_Saint likes this.

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Love it or hate it the Saints have already said they would pay Graham more than $9m (Gronk money). It's only logical that his agents now start at $12m. It's how negotiations work. Saints \| Willing to pay Jimmy Graham more than Rob Gronkowski - NFL Hot off the Wire So $3m difference will get setting in between is my predication. $10.5m per season for 6 years. Saints want him. They'll figure it out.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard ??? Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk.

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SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I believe you forgot a few games he listed there? Jimmy"Puddin" Graham is nothing more than a product of Paytons system. Prime example Meachum to the Chargers and "got paid well" and then released. Puddin not showing up in games were bad enough this year without top money, why pay top dollar to a guy when other teams know how to take him out of the game, it wasn't like he was triple teamed like a Calvin Johnson or always double teamed Vernon Davis. Teams loose players in FA each and every year(FA market) it would be no different with Graham, and as much as Brees uses him as a crutch I feel it would only help the team as a whole to let him walk. Despite all the games Graham "disappeared in" he still had a 1000 yard season, which is something like less than 5 TEs have ever done. And Graham's already done it twice in his very young career. He is the best TE in the game, it's really not a debate. And he's not a product of Payton's system. He's a 6'7 TE with insane speed and athleticism at the position. He could put up 1K seasons wherever he goes. There were some games this year he didn't put up the stats, but he also dealt with a lingering injury. Let's not forget he's still pretty new to the game of football. He's only played it in organized fashion for four years. He still has a lot of room to grow, which is insane to think about. We'd be crazy to let him walk away. Thankfully our front office seems to agree with me.

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