Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Jimmy contract non exclusive according to Saints Nation

Saints Nation Blog ‏@SaintsNationBlg 21m
Graham tag non exclusive just means he can entertain offer sheets from other teams willing to give up two 1st round picks to get him.

Also saying he has been offered $10ml but isnt budging from 12ml

If they offered him $10 million and he seriously wants $12 million, he can pack his **** and go. Anybody who thinks $12 million is reasonable for him or that he's worth that to the team...I don't know what to say.

NonieT · 03-01-2014, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Jimmy contract non exclusive according to Saints Nation

Saints Nation Blog ‏@SaintsNationBlg 21m
Graham tag non exclusive just means he can entertain offer sheets from other teams willing to give up two 1st round picks to get him.

Also saying he has been offered $10ml but isnt budging from 12ml

I'm not sure they know how much the Saints offered.

lee909 · 03-01-2014, 10:53 AM

To play devils advocate would you rather pay Jimmy $12ml or D.Jackson 9.7,V Jackson 11.1, Bowe 11.2,Wallace 12,Harvin 12.8.I would take Jimmy above any of those at them figures

blackangold · 03-01-2014, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

To play devils advocate would you rather pay Jimmy $12ml or D.Jackson 9.7,V Jackson 11.1, Bowe 11.2,Wallace 12,Harvin 12.8.I would take Jimmy above any of those at them figures

Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down.

I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down.

I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

Exactly.

Utah_Saint · 03-01-2014, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down.

I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers?

Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns?
Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns
Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns.

And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than;
Antonio Brown
Roddy White
Jordy Nelson
DeSean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Julio Jones....

Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns.

I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind.

And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him.

Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL.

Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year.

Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

rezburna · 03-01-2014, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers?

Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns?
Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns
Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns.

And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than;
Antonio Brown
Roddy White
Jordy Nelson
DeSean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Julio Jones....

Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns.

I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind.

And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him.

Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL.

Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year.

Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess.

Utah_Saint · 03-02-2014, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess.

He does play in the receiver most of the time. The Saints try to get him isolated on corners. He's too big for most corners to cover.

Gronk's numbers over the last three seasons are 2709 yards and 32 touchdowns.

blackangold · 03-01-2014, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers?

Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns?
Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns
Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns.

And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than;
Antonio Brown
Roddy White
Jordy Nelson
DeSean Jackson
Pierre Garcon
Julio Jones....

Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns.

I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind.

And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him.

Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL.

Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year.

Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

Your missing the entire point of my post. If Jimmy was lining up as a WR 100% of the time then he would be slightly above average. He is a mis-match nightmare because he is a TE...

Comparing player vs player with stats is useless. If Dez was in Payton's offense and had Drew throwing to him... you get my point?

Systemic players aren't worth huge contracts.

Utah_Saint · 03-02-2014, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Your missing the entire point of my post. If Jimmy was lining up as a WR 100% of the time then he would be slightly above average. He is a mis-match nightmare because he is a TE...

Comparing player vs player with stats is useless. If Dez was in Payton's offense and had Drew throwing to him... you get my point?

Systemic players aren't worth huge contracts.

I might have missed the point, sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake.

But...

He's a mis-match nightmare because he's 6 foot 6 inches tall, 265 pounds and runs a 4.5 forty. Not because of his position designation.

It doesn't matter what you call him. If the other team could stop him they would. They're not standing on their sidelines saying "If only Jimmy Graham were a receiver, we could put our best defender on him".

03-01-2014, 10:05 AM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by lee909 Jimmy contract non exclusive according to Saints Nation Saints Nation Blog ‏@SaintsNationBlg 21m Graham tag non exclusive just means he can entertain offer sheets from other teams willing to give up two 1st round picks to get him. Also saying he has been offered $10ml but isnt budging from 12ml If they offered him $10 million and he seriously wants $12 million, he can pack his **** and go. Anybody who thinks $12 million is reasonable for him or that he's worth that to the team...I don't know what to say. Danno, jeanpierre, ChrisXVI and 2 others like this.

03-01-2014, 11:28 AM	#2
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by lee909 Jimmy contract non exclusive according to Saints Nation Saints Nation Blog ‏@SaintsNationBlg 21m Graham tag non exclusive just means he can entertain offer sheets from other teams willing to give up two 1st round picks to get him. Also saying he has been offered $10ml but isnt budging from 12ml I'm not sure they know how much the Saints offered.
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03-01-2014, 10:53 AM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? To play devils advocate would you rather pay Jimmy $12ml or D.Jackson 9.7,V Jackson 11.1, Bowe 11.2,Wallace 12,Harvin 12.8.I would take Jimmy above any of those at them figures

03-01-2014, 11:24 AM	#4
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by lee909 To play devils advocate would you rather pay Jimmy $12ml or D.Jackson 9.7,V Jackson 11.1, Bowe 11.2,Wallace 12,Harvin 12.8.I would take Jimmy above any of those at them figures Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down. I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again.

03-01-2014, 11:31 AM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by blackangold Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down. I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again. Exactly.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by blackangold Your talking Jimmy vs WRs... pay scale is different. Jimmy could never be an elite WR. Jimmy needs to play in the slot or on the line so he isn't matched up with the defenses best corners. We all saw what happen when teams played him like a WR, he got shut down. I love me some Jimmy but 12mil per year is insane. Let's hope we can get two 1st rounders for him and move on. Payton and Drew don't need Jimmy, Jimmy needs them. If Jimmy goes to another system he'll never see 1000+ yd season again. Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers? Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns? Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns. And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than; Antonio Brown Roddy White Jordy Nelson DeSean Jackson Pierre Garcon Julio Jones.... Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns. I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind. And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him. Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL. Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year. Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together.

03-01-2014, 12:52 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers? Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns? Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns. And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than; Antonio Brown Roddy White Jordy Nelson DeSean Jackson Pierre Garcon Julio Jones.... Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns. I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind. And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him. Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL. Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year. Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together. Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess.

03-02-2014, 03:45 AM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Lets line him up at receiver for 100% of the plays and see if the production remains the same. That we he can always face the teams number one corner like most elite receivers do. Matter fact, whats Gronks numbers? He can play receiver too I guess. He does play in the receiver most of the time. The Saints try to get him isolated on corners. He's too big for most corners to cover. Gronk's numbers over the last three seasons are 2709 yards and 32 touchdowns.

03-01-2014, 03:09 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Just curious, who would you consider elite wide receivers? Dez Bryant? Over the last three years, Graham has 36 less yards and 2 more touchdowns? Andre Johnson? Graham has 10 more yards and 25 more touchdowns Demaryius Thomas? Graham has 92 more yards and 8 more touchdowns. And the list goes on and on. Since his rookie season, Graham has better numbers than; Antonio Brown Roddy White Jordy Nelson DeSean Jackson Pierre Garcon Julio Jones.... Truth is, over the last 3 years there are only 7 wide receivers have more yards that Graham and none have more touchdowns. I think its pretty safe to say that every receiver would benefit from playing with a great quarterback and a pass first offensive mastermind. And Payton tries to get Graham lined up against most corners. That's why he lines up wide over a quarter of the time he's in the game. He's too big for most corners to cover and it becomes an easy game of pitch and catch. There are only a few corners in the league that can cover him. Just my opinion, but I think the stats show that he definitely deserves to be listed among the top receivers in the NFL. Solely based his stats, PFF values him at $12.3mil/year. Whether the Saints can afford him is a completely different question all together. Your missing the entire point of my post. If Jimmy was lining up as a WR 100% of the time then he would be slightly above average. He is a mis-match nightmare because he is a TE... Comparing player vs player with stats is useless. If Dez was in Payton's offense and had Drew throwing to him... you get my point? Systemic players aren't worth huge contracts.

03-02-2014, 02:59 AM	#10
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by blackangold Your missing the entire point of my post. If Jimmy was lining up as a WR 100% of the time then he would be slightly above average. He is a mis-match nightmare because he is a TE... Comparing player vs player with stats is useless. If Dez was in Payton's offense and had Drew throwing to him... you get my point? Systemic players aren't worth huge contracts. I might have missed the point, sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake. But... He's a mis-match nightmare because he's 6 foot 6 inches tall, 265 pounds and runs a 4.5 forty. Not because of his position designation. It doesn't matter what you call him. If the other team could stop him they would. They're not standing on their sidelines saying "If only Jimmy Graham were a receiver, we could put our best defender on him".

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