I don't like the trade

TheOak · 05-10-2014, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by gumbeauxx

I know this is not going to a popular position, but I don't like the trade up to Brandon Cooks. I have no doubt he is a great prospect and all the experts really like the pick, but in this wideout rich draft, was it really the best move for a team that is probably four players away from a Super Bowl.

As it broke yesterday we were in position to make a huge move down and get really good value for our pick, because Bridgewater fell and Minnesota and Houston both wanted him. We could have gotten the #33 and #65 picks for #27, because of Bridgewater. Then we could have gone down to #40 and gotten #98 from Minnesota for the #33 pick for them to take Carr at qb. Setting us up to get center, cb, olb, and wr.

With our cap situation, the draft is about the best way for us to fill a roster cheaply. I feel like the Saints became enamoured with a player and traded to get him. With Graham, Colston, Stills, Watson, Morgan and Toon, I don't see the immediate need, especially when you have a second year undrafted free agent protecting Drew. I just don't see it.

You are aware that the limit is 53? Our roster is full.... Now. So, what we are trying to do is get better at/in spots.. That requires better, not more.

We are at 65 on the depth chart now..... What's the point of picking 12 in the draft if you can't keep them?

You mentioned the cap and rightfully so, cutting sometimes brings dead money.

When you are 1 play maker away from having that lethality we used to have you go get him..... 4 "almost" like him isn't as dangerous as 1 him.

Also, with all due respect, Morgan and Toon need to be left out of the conversation.... Both you and I together are only 14 receptions in the NFL from tying them.

Toon has had very bad hands and the same people wanting to get rid of Ivory because he couldn't stay healthy are up on Morgan who can't even stay in uniform. I think Ivory had as many injuries as Morgan has had total plays.

The draft, the roster, and the salary cap are a balancing act.... They are not independent.

So you trade down from 27 and get 3 WR all of which turn out to not be as good as Cooks. Did you get better for 2014? No
You grab 3 OLinemen that don't beat out what we have now, did you get better? No

TwistedTiger · 05-10-2014, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Also, with all due respect, Morgan and Toon need to be left out of the conversation.... Both you and I together are only 14 receptions in the NFL from tying them.

Toon has had very bad hands and the same people wanting to get rid of Ivory because he couldn't stay healthy are up on Morgan who can't even stay in uniform. I think Ivory had as many injuries as Morgan has had total plays.

Agree 100%, with Cooks on board Morgan should be expendable.

Euphoria · 05-10-2014, 06:55 AM

I don't mind the trade at all.

I was all for a trade back but you can't wait around to see how things play out. Hindsight is 20\20. When they made the trade and pick I support it. I think he is a great player and worth the trade up.

If you target a player that you really want... YOU GO GET HIM.

Mr.Riaton · 05-10-2014, 08:05 AM

After watching what Sean and Mickey did the past two years with this team,I dont question their decisions. They may not be perfect,but I have total respect and trust in what they do or dont do. I would have been fine with whatever they did in the first round. These guys know what they're doing. We only have limited insight and knowledge when it comes to evaluating prospects and draft moves. Thats why good GM's and coaches are so important to an organizations sucess.

foreverfan · 05-10-2014, 08:41 AM

Ultimate Brandin Cooks Highlights \| HD - YouTube

rezburna · 05-10-2014, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Ultimate Brandin Cooks Highlights | HD - YouTube

I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this.

jeanpierre · 05-10-2014, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this.

True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college...

My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field...

rezburna · 05-10-2014, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college...

My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field...

True about Bush. Very true. That's the same conference as USC too isn't it?

But yeah, he's bigger then Lance though. Far more solid and cut up. And about 30x faster. The thing that impresses me is his route running. I think he'll know how to settle down in routes or keep going across the middle in order to protect his body.

lsutigerfan · 05-10-2014, 09:03 AM

Get over it!

jeanpierre · 05-10-2014, 09:16 AM

When you review the entire body of work of Loomis/Payton in regards to personnel and draft, they're like a powerful fourth hole hitter in Baseball...

There average is lower than most, but they do hit some homeruns...

That was an amazing draft last year...

But their flaw is they do get fixated on a player and tend to make mistakes...

The Saints were convinced Glenn Dorsey and Jeremy Shockey additions would propel them past Chicago in the playoffs...

Well they overpaid the Giants for Shockey and panicked when Chiefs' Carl Peterson sensed the desperation for Dorsey and tried to extort them...

Saints FO fell back, but still smarting, made the horrible mistake of trading with the Pats to get Ellis...

Probably passing on a great linebacker in Jerrod Mayo and could have let the Bengals spare us Ellis and his lame, lazy-@$$ game...

Just because some don't drink the coolaid, that doesn't mean they're less a fan - some just question - and that is a good thing...

05-10-2014, 06:43 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	I don't like the trade Originally Posted by gumbeauxx I know this is not going to a popular position, but I don't like the trade up to Brandon Cooks. I have no doubt he is a great prospect and all the experts really like the pick, but in this wideout rich draft, was it really the best move for a team that is probably four players away from a Super Bowl. As it broke yesterday we were in position to make a huge move down and get really good value for our pick, because Bridgewater fell and Minnesota and Houston both wanted him. We could have gotten the #33 and #65 picks for #27, because of Bridgewater. Then we could have gone down to #40 and gotten #98 from Minnesota for the #33 pick for them to take Carr at qb. Setting us up to get center, cb, olb, and wr. With our cap situation, the draft is about the best way for us to fill a roster cheaply. I feel like the Saints became enamoured with a player and traded to get him. With Graham, Colston, Stills, Watson, Morgan and Toon, I don't see the immediate need, especially when you have a second year undrafted free agent protecting Drew. I just don't see it. You are aware that the limit is 53? Our roster is full.... Now. So, what we are trying to do is get better at/in spots.. That requires better, not more. We are at 65 on the depth chart now..... What's the point of picking 12 in the draft if you can't keep them? You mentioned the cap and rightfully so, cutting sometimes brings dead money. When you are 1 play maker away from having that lethality we used to have you go get him..... 4 "almost" like him isn't as dangerous as 1 him. Also, with all due respect, Morgan and Toon need to be left out of the conversation.... Both you and I together are only 14 receptions in the NFL from tying them. Toon has had very bad hands and the same people wanting to get rid of Ivory because he couldn't stay healthy are up on Morgan who can't even stay in uniform. I think Ivory had as many injuries as Morgan has had total plays. The draft, the roster, and the salary cap are a balancing act.... They are not independent. So you trade down from 27 and get 3 WR all of which turn out to not be as good as Cooks. Did you get better for 2014? No You grab 3 OLinemen that don't beat out what we have now, did you get better? No pumpkindriver, AsylumGuido, savoyk and 1 others like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 05-10-2014 at 09:59 AM..

05-10-2014, 06:50 AM	#2
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by TheOak Also, with all due respect, Morgan and Toon need to be left out of the conversation.... Both you and I together are only 14 receptions in the NFL from tying them. Toon has had very bad hands and the same people wanting to get rid of Ivory because he couldn't stay healthy are up on Morgan who can't even stay in uniform. I think Ivory had as many injuries as Morgan has had total plays. Agree 100%, with Cooks on board Morgan should be expendable.
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05-10-2014, 11:29 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by rezburna I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this. True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college... My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field...

05-10-2014, 11:34 AM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by jeanpierre True, but Bush had the same highlight reel in college... My concerns are his size; he geauxs across the middle like Lance did on some routes - he may not walk off the field... True about Bush. Very true. That's the same conference as USC too isn't it? But yeah, he's bigger then Lance though. Far more solid and cut up. And about 30x faster. The thing that impresses me is his route running. I think he'll know how to settle down in routes or keep going across the middle in order to protect his body.

05-10-2014, 09:16 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: I don't like the trade When you review the entire body of work of Loomis/Payton in regards to personnel and draft, they're like a powerful fourth hole hitter in Baseball... There average is lower than most, but they do hit some homeruns... That was an amazing draft last year... But their flaw is they do get fixated on a player and tend to make mistakes... The Saints were convinced Glenn Dorsey and Jeremy Shockey additions would propel them past Chicago in the playoffs... Well they overpaid the Giants for Shockey and panicked when Chiefs' Carl Peterson sensed the desperation for Dorsey and tried to extort them... Saints FO fell back, but still smarting, made the horrible mistake of trading with the Pats to get Ellis... Probably passing on a great linebacker in Jerrod Mayo and could have let the Bengals spare us Ellis and his lame, lazy-@$$ game... Just because some don't drink the coolaid, that doesn't mean they're less a fan - some just question - and that is a good thing...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way... Last edited by jeanpierre; 05-10-2014 at 09:18 AM..

05-10-2014, 06:55 AM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I don't like the trade I don't mind the trade at all. I was all for a trade back but you can't wait around to see how things play out. Hindsight is 20\20. When they made the trade and pick I support it. I think he is a great player and worth the trade up. If you target a player that you really want... YOU GO GET HIM. savoyk, SaintsBro and Mr.Riaton like this.

05-10-2014, 08:05 AM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: I don't like the trade After watching what Sean and Mickey did the past two years with this team,I dont question their decisions. They may not be perfect,but I have total respect and trust in what they do or dont do. I would have been fine with whatever they did in the first round. These guys know what they're doing. We only have limited insight and knowledge when it comes to evaluating prospects and draft moves. Thats why good GM's and coaches are so important to an organizations sucess.

05-10-2014, 11:18 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: I don't like the trade Originally Posted by foreverfan Ultimate Brandin Cooks Highlights \| HD - YouTube I can't look at this and say there were plenty of guys we could have got later that play like this. dizzle88 and brees84 like this.

05-10-2014, 09:03 AM	#9
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: I don't like the trade Get over it!

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