2015 draft??

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

ANALYSIS

WEAKNESSES
One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Lacks power.

BOTTOM LINE
If you are a zone-based team looking for an athletic, well-schooled tackle who can come in and compete for a starting position right away, then Fisher is your guy. He has the feet to play the left side and is savvy enough in the run game to man the right side. He needs more weight on his frame, but guard is also an option for Fisher.

Sounds interesting
Some issues and good points in bold

i love this kids game. remember who he was blocking for too and that system. Afriend on the west coasted pointed out over 50% of those holds were on scrambles. that and a bulk of the holds were not his assignment. When he went down for a few games that duck OL was serving up sacks like there was no tomorrow.

in no way do i believe he is an OT that should go in the first. second sure. third round he was a steal. but everyone now see the huge drop off after the top 2 OT come of the board. Potential and hype have nothing to do with fisher really. he needs some work but he is light years ahead of Clemmings and Flower. closest OT to him is Peat IMO and i would still take Fisher over Peat.

you have a high floor and with coaching and weight room work you have an extremely safe pick that is a huge upgrade depth wise as soon as the pick is made. the talent is there to take over as a starter down the road in a year or two at the latest.

he is the best swing OT in the draft.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 07:54 AM

actually listing to to pats talk shows here in NE. if there is a LB or more importantly a CB we like we better pick them because odds are the pats will.

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 07:58 AM

The Saints do have plenty of picks this year - at least at the moment, but who knows - so they could make a couple of those high risk vs high reward type of picks, but hopefully not with the 1st and/or 2nd rounders.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 08:04 AM

tonight my annual get drunk

trade and draft party. so i will solve everything by morning

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 12:26 PM

Fanspeak
I'd be over the moon with this
Thiugh i consider a guard in 3rd

13: R1/P13
DE SHANE RAY
MISSOURI

31: R1/P31
WR DEVANTE PARKER
LOUISVILLE

44: R2/P12
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI

75: R3/P11
TE CLIVE WALFORD
MIAMI

78: R3/P14
DT CARL DAVIS
IOWA

140: R5/P12
CB LORENZO DOSS
TULANE

146: R5/P18
ILB TAIWAN JONES
MICHIGAN STATE

171: R6/P11
OT TYRUS THOMPSON
OKLAHOMA

205: R7/P13
QB SEAN MANNION
OREGON STATE

jeanpierre · 03-14-2015, 03:43 PM

Let the other kids (teams) draft Shane Ray, Gregory, and Dupree...

Won't no part of 'tweeners'...

Payton got his WR last year, let that **** rest...

Besides, there are plenty of good WR that could be found in mid rounds to augment what we have...

Further, we're never gonna develop any WR if we don't get guys like Toon, Coleman, and Jones some reps/touches on the field...

K Major · 03-14-2015, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Payton got his WR last year, let that **** rest...

Besides, there are plenty of good WR that could be found in mid rounds to augment what we have...

Further, we're never gonna develop any WR if we don't get guys like Toon, Coleman, and Jones some reps/touches on the field...

^^^ This.

To think the Saints would reach for another WR with the first pick is baffling.
At some point, Toon and Coleman must step up.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^ This.

To think the Saints would reach for another WR with the first pick is baffling.
At some point, Toon and Coleman must step up.

first pick no need to reach i agree

still have cook as a toy for now. SP needs to start using him as a WR

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 11:47 PM

All this plenty of great receivers late. We have enough late round prospects on the roster. There is a reason most of these guys either went late or were UDFA. They either have size or speed not a combination of both.

Now im not saying getting a WR early is a must but we have lost around 2000 of our roughly 5000 receiving yards.

Call me strange but i dont fancy pinning my hopes on a small slot receiver and a ageing/banged uo receiver. Nick Toon has 21 career reception and this is his 4th season and he will be 27 during the season.

jeanpierre · 03-15-2015, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

All this plenty of great receivers late. We have enough late round prospects on the roster. There is a reason most of these guys either went late or were UDFA. They either have size or speed not a combination of both.

Now im not saying getting a WR early is a must but we have lost around 2000 of our roughly 5000 receiving yards.

Call me strange but i dont fancy pinning my hopes on a small slot receiver and a ageing/banged uo receiver. Nick Toon has 21 career reception and this is his 4th season and he will be 27 during the season.

Often the differences in a first round pick and a fourth round pick is where a player is on the development spectrum...

You're truly elite talent is among the first five to fifteen picks, depending on that year's draft's bumper crop...

Many of us have posted that we noticed Brees was "forcing the ball to Graham"...

You think that Payton hadn't noticed that as well?!?

Graham is such a big target to throw that Brees was not using his Payton-coached skills of checking down to the other receiving options...

If we can see this on rebroadcasts on NFLN, Payton surely can with the computer-aided game film that his full-time production staff can produce...

That software/game interface probably comes with Madden-script overlay and maybe even that 360° GoPano views...

Anyways crunching numbers to production, having only one ball per play from scrimmage, something had to give as talent had to be spread across the field on both sides of the ball...

But to change course mid-stream and spend a high pick on another offensive player (exception Scherff, Line of Scrimmage) after having sacrificed two players, one of which is likely to end up in the Hall of Fame, in the name of improving the defense is, well, self-defeating...

03-14-2015, 07:36 AM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by lee909 ANALYSIS WEAKNESSES One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Lacks power. BOTTOM LINE If you are a zone-based team looking for an athletic, well-schooled tackle who can come in and compete for a starting position right away, then Fisher is your guy. He has the feet to play the left side and is savvy enough in the run game to man the right side. He needs more weight on his frame, but guard is also an option for Fisher. Sounds interesting Some issues and good points in bold i love this kids game. remember who he was blocking for too and that system. Afriend on the west coasted pointed out over 50% of those holds were on scrambles. that and a bulk of the holds were not his assignment. When he went down for a few games that duck OL was serving up sacks like there was no tomorrow. in no way do i believe he is an OT that should go in the first. second sure. third round he was a steal. but everyone now see the huge drop off after the top 2 OT come of the board. Potential and hype have nothing to do with fisher really. he needs some work but he is light years ahead of Clemmings and Flower. closest OT to him is Peat IMO and i would still take Fisher over Peat. you have a high floor and with coaching and weight room work you have an extremely safe pick that is a huge upgrade depth wise as soon as the pick is made. the talent is there to take over as a starter down the road in a year or two at the latest. he is the best swing OT in the draft.
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03-14-2015, 07:54 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? actually listing to to pats talk shows here in NE. if there is a LB or more importantly a CB we like we better pick them because odds are the pats will.

03-14-2015, 07:58 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: 2015 draft?? The Saints do have plenty of picks this year - at least at the moment, but who knows - so they could make a couple of those high risk vs high reward type of picks, but hopefully not with the 1st and/or 2nd rounders.

03-14-2015, 08:04 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? tonight my annual get drunk trade and draft party. so i will solve everything by morning

03-14-2015, 12:26 PM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? Fanspeak I'd be over the moon with this Thiugh i consider a guard in 3rd 13: R1/P13 DE SHANE RAY MISSOURI 31: R1/P31 WR DEVANTE PARKER LOUISVILLE 44: R2/P12 ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN MIAMI 75: R3/P11 TE CLIVE WALFORD MIAMI 78: R3/P14 DT CARL DAVIS IOWA 140: R5/P12 CB LORENZO DOSS TULANE 146: R5/P18 ILB TAIWAN JONES MICHIGAN STATE 171: R6/P11 OT TYRUS THOMPSON OKLAHOMA 205: R7/P13 QB SEAN MANNION OREGON STATE

03-14-2015, 03:43 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2015 draft?? Let the other kids (teams) draft Shane Ray, Gregory, and Dupree... Won't no part of 'tweeners'... Payton got his WR last year, let that **** rest... Besides, there are plenty of good WR that could be found in mid rounds to augment what we have... Further, we're never gonna develop any WR if we don't get guys like Toon, Coleman, and Jones some reps/touches on the field...

03-14-2015, 04:51 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,826 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Payton got his WR last year, let that **** rest... Besides, there are plenty of good WR that could be found in mid rounds to augment what we have... Further, we're never gonna develop any WR if we don't get guys like Toon, Coleman, and Jones some reps/touches on the field... ^^^ This. To think the Saints would reach for another WR with the first pick is baffling. At some point, Toon and Coleman must step up.

03-14-2015, 06:17 PM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by K Major ^^^ This. To think the Saints would reach for another WR with the first pick is baffling. At some point, Toon and Coleman must step up. first pick no need to reach i agree still have cook as a toy for now. SP needs to start using him as a WR

03-14-2015, 11:47 PM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? All this plenty of great receivers late. We have enough late round prospects on the roster. There is a reason most of these guys either went late or were UDFA. They either have size or speed not a combination of both. Now im not saying getting a WR early is a must but we have lost around 2000 of our roughly 5000 receiving yards. Call me strange but i dont fancy pinning my hopes on a small slot receiver and a ageing/banged uo receiver. Nick Toon has 21 career reception and this is his 4th season and he will be 27 during the season.
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

03-15-2015, 07:34 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by lee909 All this plenty of great receivers late. We have enough late round prospects on the roster. There is a reason most of these guys either went late or were UDFA. They either have size or speed not a combination of both. Now im not saying getting a WR early is a must but we have lost around 2000 of our roughly 5000 receiving yards. Call me strange but i dont fancy pinning my hopes on a small slot receiver and a ageing/banged uo receiver. Nick Toon has 21 career reception and this is his 4th season and he will be 27 during the season. Often the differences in a first round pick and a fourth round pick is where a player is on the development spectrum... You're truly elite talent is among the first five to fifteen picks, depending on that year's draft's bumper crop... Many of us have posted that we noticed Brees was "forcing the ball to Graham"... You think that Payton hadn't noticed that as well?!? Graham is such a big target to throw that Brees was not using his Payton-coached skills of checking down to the other receiving options... If we can see this on rebroadcasts on NFLN, Payton surely can with the computer-aided game film that his full-time production staff can produce... That software/game interface probably comes with Madden-script overlay and maybe even that 360° GoPano views... Anyways crunching numbers to production, having only one ball per play from scrimmage, something had to give as talent had to be spread across the field on both sides of the ball... But to change course mid-stream and spend a high pick on another offensive player (exception Scherff, Line of Scrimmage) after having sacrificed two players, one of which is likely to end up in the Hall of Fame, in the name of improving the defense is, well, self-defeating...
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