2015 draft??

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Perryman at 31? i still can not get on this band wagon for a 34 defense. if iam going small and athelic at 31 it would be Eric Kendricks. even then i worry about a 3 man front but he is all about instincts plan and simple

I like him but a little woried about him being Small in a big mans division
also

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Burly, stout, old-school linebacker build. Wants to hit and brings his pads with him when he delivers a blow. Delivers a jarring punch into oncoming offensive linemen on second level. Defends his area of turf and sees past blockers, keeping his eye trained on the play. Is able to disengage and shed blockers. Plays low and with leverage. Once he diagnoses, can trigger into gaps and disrupt. Expected to be productive special-teams player at the next level.

WEAKNESSES Not a twitchy athlete. Takes time to gear up after changing directions and can struggle to tackle jitterbug runners in space. Heavy-legged mover in space and struggles to make plays outside of his assigned area. Lacks coverage traits and is a liability in man coverage. . Short levers won't allow him to leverage blockers as a pass rusher. Slow to get off his spot and burst laterally, which causes him to miss some tackle opportunities.

SOURCES TELL US "He's physical and plays angry at the point of attack. He's the type of guy you like having on your team because he brings toughness to practice. He's going to lay the wood to ball carriers when he gets a chance but college teams were already finding ways to go after him in the passing game." -- AFC East regional scout

"I have a little higher grade on Perryman than I probably should, but we like thumpers and badasses inside and he's both." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL COMPARISON D'Qwell Jackson

BOTTOM LINE Early down linebacker who can make plays against the run but will struggle if isolated in coverage. Perryman is a lunch-pail worker who enjoys the physical part of the game. Can be a highly productive NFL player but ceiling looks to be limited.

Really not sure what to think here to be honest,like him and what he brings but are we looking at another Lofton

lee909 · 03-14-2015, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Arik Armstead - freak show crown of 2015

There is something there isnt there
We are due to loose all three of our DE at the end of the season and if we are staying 3-4 we need rotation there at least. I have a feeling we go back to 4-3 though,not sure why. I can see Ryan going unless we are a top 5 defense and i can see Allen pushing a 4-3.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

ANALYSIS

WEAKNESSES
One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Lacks power.

BOTTOM LINE
If you are a zone-based team looking for an athletic, well-schooled tackle who can come in and compete for a starting position right away, then Fisher is your guy. He has the feet to play the left side and is savvy enough in the run game to man the right side. He needs more weight on his frame, but guard is also an option for Fisher.

Sounds interesting
Some issues and good points in bold

i love this kids game. remember who he was blocking for too and that system. Afriend on the west coasted pointed out over 50% of those holds were on scrambles. that and a bulk of the holds were not his assignment. When he went down for a few games that duck OL was serving up sacks like there was no tomorrow.

in no way do i believe he is an OT that should go in the first. second sure. third round he was a steal. but everyone now see the huge drop off after the top 2 OT come of the board. Potential and hype have nothing to do with fisher really. he needs some work but he is light years ahead of Clemmings and Flower. closest OT to him is Peat IMO and i would still take Fisher over Peat.

you have a high floor and with coaching and weight room work you have an extremely safe pick that is a huge upgrade depth wise as soon as the pick is made. the talent is there to take over as a starter down the road in a year or two at the latest.

he is the best swing OT in the draft.

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

DT ARIK ARMSTEAD
OREGON PAC-12

COMBINE RESULTS
40 -5.10 SEC
Bench - 24 REPS
Vert - 34.0 INCH
Broad - 117.0 INCH
3 cone - 7.57 SEC
Shuttle - 4.53 SEC

6'7" HEIGHT
33" ARM LENGTH
292LBS. WEIGHT
10 1/2" HANDS

WEAKNESSES
Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish.

SOURCES TELL US
"I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout

NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell

BOTTOM LINE
Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have

that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have

that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is

True, and I'm intrigued by him all right. I just believe that all 1st rounders should be ready to start right away - at least in theory - and I don't think anyone can say that about this kid.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 08:54 AM

actually listing to to pats talk shows here in NE. if there is a LB or more importantly a CB we like we better pick them because odds are the pats will.

FinSaint · 03-14-2015, 08:58 AM

The Saints do have plenty of picks this year - at least at the moment, but who knows - so they could make a couple of those high risk vs high reward type of picks, but hopefully not with the 1st and/or 2nd rounders.

hagan714 · 03-14-2015, 09:04 AM

tonight my annual get drunk

trade and draft party. so i will solve everything by morning

jeanpierre · 03-14-2015, 10:50 AM

Lord, It's Me Again...

Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs.

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) DT Carl Davis, Iowa; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 320 lbs. (Via Seattle)

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs.

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) LB Taiwan Jones, Michigan St, 6' 3", 245 lbs.

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) OL Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Miami)

Pick No. 109 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle)

Pick No. 140 (R5, 12) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

Pick No. 146 (R5, 18) OL Max Garcia, Florida, 6' 4", 309 lbs. (Via Kansas City)

Pick No. 171 (R6, 11) OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs.

Pick 205 (R7, 13) OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs.

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03-14-2015, 08:20 AM	#541
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 Perryman at 31? i still can not get on this band wagon for a 34 defense. if iam going small and athelic at 31 it would be Eric Kendricks. even then i worry about a 3 man front but he is all about instincts plan and simple I like him but a little woried about him being Small in a big mans division also ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Burly, stout, old-school linebacker build. Wants to hit and brings his pads with him when he delivers a blow. Delivers a jarring punch into oncoming offensive linemen on second level. Defends his area of turf and sees past blockers, keeping his eye trained on the play. Is able to disengage and shed blockers. Plays low and with leverage. Once he diagnoses, can trigger into gaps and disrupt. Expected to be productive special-teams player at the next level. WEAKNESSES Not a twitchy athlete. Takes time to gear up after changing directions and can struggle to tackle jitterbug runners in space. Heavy-legged mover in space and struggles to make plays outside of his assigned area. Lacks coverage traits and is a liability in man coverage. . Short levers won't allow him to leverage blockers as a pass rusher. Slow to get off his spot and burst laterally, which causes him to miss some tackle opportunities. SOURCES TELL US "He's physical and plays angry at the point of attack. He's the type of guy you like having on your team because he brings toughness to practice. He's going to lay the wood to ball carriers when he gets a chance but college teams were already finding ways to go after him in the passing game." -- AFC East regional scout "I have a little higher grade on Perryman than I probably should, but we like thumpers and badasses inside and he's both." -- AFC director of scouting NFL COMPARISON D'Qwell Jackson BOTTOM LINE Early down linebacker who can make plays against the run but will struggle if isolated in coverage. Perryman is a lunch-pail worker who enjoys the physical part of the game. Can be a highly productive NFL player but ceiling looks to be limited. Really not sure what to think here to be honest,like him and what he brings but are we looking at another Lofton hagan714 likes this.
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03-14-2015, 08:23 AM	#542
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 Arik Armstead - freak show crown of 2015 There is something there isnt there We are due to loose all three of our DE at the end of the season and if we are staying 3-4 we need rotation there at least. I have a feeling we go back to 4-3 though,not sure why. I can see Ryan going unless we are a top 5 defense and i can see Allen pushing a 4-3.

03-14-2015, 08:36 AM	#543
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by lee909 ANALYSIS WEAKNESSES One of the most penalized tackles in 2015 draft class over last two seasons, including six holding calls during 2014 season. Lacks power. BOTTOM LINE If you are a zone-based team looking for an athletic, well-schooled tackle who can come in and compete for a starting position right away, then Fisher is your guy. He has the feet to play the left side and is savvy enough in the run game to man the right side. He needs more weight on his frame, but guard is also an option for Fisher. Sounds interesting Some issues and good points in bold i love this kids game. remember who he was blocking for too and that system. Afriend on the west coasted pointed out over 50% of those holds were on scrambles. that and a bulk of the holds were not his assignment. When he went down for a few games that duck OL was serving up sacks like there was no tomorrow. in no way do i believe he is an OT that should go in the first. second sure. third round he was a steal. but everyone now see the huge drop off after the top 2 OT come of the board. Potential and hype have nothing to do with fisher really. he needs some work but he is light years ahead of Clemmings and Flower. closest OT to him is Peat IMO and i would still take Fisher over Peat. you have a high floor and with coaching and weight room work you have an extremely safe pick that is a huge upgrade depth wise as soon as the pick is made. the talent is there to take over as a starter down the road in a year or two at the latest. he is the best swing OT in the draft.
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03-14-2015, 08:40 AM	#544
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by lee909 DT ARIK ARMSTEAD OREGON PAC-12 COMBINE RESULTS 40 -5.10 SEC Bench - 24 REPS Vert - 34.0 INCH Broad - 117.0 INCH 3 cone - 7.57 SEC Shuttle - 4.53 SEC 6'7" HEIGHT 33" ARM LENGTH 292LBS. WEIGHT 10 1/2" HANDS WEAKNESSES Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish. SOURCES TELL US "I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scout NFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell BOTTOM LINE Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point. I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball. hagan714 likes this.
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03-14-2015, 08:46 AM	#545
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not saying I wouldn't want him in the black & gold, but some of those things jump out at me. With the emphasis on calling the "hands to the face" penalties on both sides of the lines - I fear that someone as tall as him and raw would receive quite a few flags for that infringement. Also, I'm not sure if using a 1st rounder to get a 20 year old with a lot of "upside" is the way to go with the way the Saints' coaching staff has been unable to really develop any of the high "upside" players of the past, especially on the defensive side of the ball. he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is Sarik likes this.
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FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 he is a freak. a tease. a pick that could make you giggle and act like a little school boy for a short time then one day you wake up and regret for the rest of your life that you ever went there in there first place. memories we all have that or it gets sweeter over time like a fine wine and we all know how rare that is True, and I'm intrigued by him all right. I just believe that all 1st rounders should be ready to start right away - at least in theory - and I don't think anyone can say that about this kid. hagan714 likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2015 draft?? actually listing to to pats talk shows here in NE. if there is a LB or more importantly a CB we like we better pick them because odds are the pats will.

03-14-2015, 08:58 AM	#548
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 2015 draft?? The Saints do have plenty of picks this year - at least at the moment, but who knows - so they could make a couple of those high risk vs high reward type of picks, but hopefully not with the 1st and/or 2nd rounders.

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