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Old 03-15-2015, 05:08 PM   #1
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Marques Colston, Hofstra, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

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Positives: Has a tall, thick frame with long limbs … Physical player who excels on slants and crossing patterns, as he uses his size to shield defenders from the ball … Has enough leg drive to break tackles … Uses his hands effectively to power through the jam and his size makes it difficult for cornerbacks in attempts to reroute him or knock him off his patterns … Has the field awareness to settle in the zone's soft spot and does a good job of using his body to wall off defenders … Fearless catching in a crowd and is the type that will dish out more punishment than he gets working in traffic … Can outmaneuver smaller defenders for a jump ball … Times his leaps well to get to the ball at its high point.

Negatives: At his maximum weight for a receiver (any more bulk might dictate a move to tight end) … Will throttle down and observe the action when he is not involved in the play … Has good timed speed, but because of his long stride and inability to stay low in his pads, he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns … Has large hands, but will sometimes short arm going for the ball in a crowd or double catch (see 2005 Northeastern and Richmond games).

Colston has a tall frame with long limbs and adequate muscle definition. He added bulk during the off-season and his frame is at maximum growth potential for a receiver without losing any of his burst and quickness. Much like former Green Bay Packer Tyrone Davis and former New Orleans Saint Eddie "Boo" Williams, Colston might eventually fill out more and will then probably have to shift to tight end at the pro level.

Colston is a tough, physical receiver who relished his role as a chain-mover. He has a strong release, but needs to be more consistent generating explosion coming off the line of scrimmage. He is a bit of a long strider, but has the sudden burst to separate after the catch. Despite his excellent timed speed, he does not have good initial quickness, as he needs to build to top speed.

As a route-runner, Colston needs to refine his technique. He rounds his cuts too often and while he shows a good burst after the catch, his long stride makes him appear lazy getting into his routes. In order to be effective, he will need to explode out of his cuts better. He runs mostly slants and underneath routes and needs to recognize movement better.

Colston has the speed to elude, but prefers to power through defenders coming out of his breaks and this resulted in several costly fumbles in 2005 (see Richmond and Northeastern games). He knows how to use his size to wall off defenders and shield the ball. He has large hands and long arms to reach and pluck the ball, but most of his drops are caused by a lack of concentration.

Colston likes the contact working over the middle. He is not afraid to take a hit going over the middle and this attitude, combined with his body growth, could see him more effective as an underneath target at tight end rather than lining up at split end. He has the body control to twist and turn to make the catch in a crowd and shows good flexibility to secure the pass at its high point (just needs better consistency).

At the level he played at, he still struggled when having to go deep and needs to stay lower in his pads and show better hip snap to generate more explosion in his routes. Before 2005, he would try to overpower defenders, but now shows better balance and leg drive. He developed some wiggle to escape initial contact, but when he gathers before cutting, he negates his timed speed.

His frame and aggressiveness would make him an effective blocker, but he will lose concentration at times, keep his arms short and this allows defenders to slip past in backside pursuit. The talent and strength are there to be a good in-line blocker. He just needs to develop better overall consistency.

Colston is an interesting prospect because of his size and timed speed. He needs to show more explosiveness in his burst and develop better consistency. He is prone to mental lapses on the field and while he is a hard worker, he is not regarded as leadership material. He needs to be pushed at times, as he tends to get lazy, but overall, he has been a good program player. Based on his size/speed ratio, if he continues to run well in private workouts, he could sneak into the mid-to-late round draft picture.

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Old 03-15-2015, 06:22 PM   #2
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My first shot at it since all of the craziness this past week. Only did 3 rounds.

R1P13 OLB VIC BEASLEY CLEMSON
-Absolute no-brainer. In 3-4 sets he's the Jack and allows us to use Galette as more of a situational pass rusher in nickel sets.

R1P31 DT EDDIE GOLDMAN FLORIDA STATE
-It was surprisingly tough to make this pick. There were quite a few players that I didn't want to reach on (I considered taking my 2nd round pick here) so I went with Edwards. Should be an upgrade over Deaderick in that interior D-Line rotation.

R2P12 ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY CLEMSON
-That's right, we're doubling up on Clemson defenders. Hopefully it works out better than when we doubled up on Wake Forest defenders. Anthony could immediately challenge Ellerbe and Hawthorne for a starting role.

R3P11 G ALI MARPET HOBART
-I doubt he's available here but if so it's another no-brainer.

R3P14 TE CLIVE WALFORD MIAMI
-It remains to be seen if Josh Hill can carry the load and Ben Watson doesn't have too long left.
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI View Post
My first shot at it since all of the craziness this past week. Only did 3 rounds.

R1P13 OLB VIC BEASLEY CLEMSON
-Absolute no-brainer. In 3-4 sets he's the Jack and allows us to use Galette as more of a situational pass rusher in nickel sets.

R1P31 DT EDDIE GOLDMAN FLORIDA STATE
-It was surprisingly tough to make this pick. There were quite a few players that I didn't want to reach on (I considered taking my 2nd round pick here) so I went with Edwards. Should be an upgrade over Deaderick in that interior D-Line rotation.

R2P12 ILB STEPHONE ANTHONY CLEMSON
-That's right, we're doubling up on Clemson defenders. Hopefully it works out better than when we doubled up on Wake Forest defenders. Anthony could immediately challenge Ellerbe and Hawthorne for a starting role.

R3P11 G ALI MARPET HOBART
-I doubt he's available here but if so it's another no-brainer.

R3P14 TE CLIVE WALFORD MIAMI
-It remains to be seen if Josh Hill can carry the load and Ben Watson doesn't have too long left.
Pass on Clive...

We're of the same thinking on the first picks...

I like Carl Davis size, strength more and I think he'll be better paired with Beasley as he can easily occupy and diffuse two blockers, freeing up Beasley to inflict damage like a missle...
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Latest mock on Fanspeak, covers all of our issues & makes everyone Happy Happy Happy...

Rd1(13) NT Danny Shelton, Washington

Rd1(31) CB Marcus Peters, Washington

Rd2(44) ILB Stephone Anthony, Clemson

Rd3(75) OT/OG Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M

Rd3(78) WR Breshaud Perriman, UCF

Rd5(140) OG Shaq Mason, Georgia Tech

Rd5(146) ILB Jordan Hicks, Texas

I'll start off by saying, chances are slim to none both 3rd selections will be there.

This draft would shore up our interior defensive front seven with Shelton at the nose & Anthony/Hicks adding much needed athleticism at the ILB positions. Both have great instincts & can cover!

Ogbuehi can play LG if we so chose to put him there making a VERY athletic left side next to Armstead. Shaq Mason is the RG of the future after Jahri's career comes to an end & also gives us great Depth as he can play Center & guard.

Peters is a tremendous talent & the idea of Browner/Lewis coaching him up & keeping him in check makes the pick all the better.

Perriman more than likely goes no later than mid 2nd. Hard to see him falling...Latimer scenario last year is a great example of his ascension this year.

Slim chance Ogbuehi falls to the 3rd, but it is possible. Brandon Thomas is a good example from last year. Fell of a bit at LT & moved to LG & then had the injury, so we'll see how that goes.

I also like DT/DE Marcus Hardison, Arizona St. In the middle of the draft somewhere if his stock doesnt rise.
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Versatile guy that can rush the passer & had great production this year(54 tackles, 11 sacks, 16 TFL, 2 INTs, 3 FF, 1 FR) ....gives us depth we're lacking outside of Foster.

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Only did 5 rounds
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Id love Peters if he was there in the second but i cant see the front office taking anyone with character issues this year.

Didn't he put his hands on his coach?.

Id take him like a shot if he has sorted his head out or that was false reporting though
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two case examples

- Peters guiding influence is Marshawn Lynch to get his head straight

- Dorial Green-Beckham influence is his brother who moved in and kicked his butt back on the straight and narrow.

think i would roll the with family.
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two case examples

- Peters guiding influence is Marshawn Lynch to get his head straight

- Dorial Green-Beckham influence is his brother who moved in and kicked his butt back on the straight and narrow.

think i would roll the with family.
Yep, heard that. I wish the Saints would consider him, but i understand. To get him at 31 would be legit.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:32 AM   #9
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ok i am going to get shot for this bit

but here it is.

7 Annual Drink Trade and Draft

Drew traded to Tenn
2, 33, 1st 2016 conditional in 2017


Marcus Mariota to the Eagles
20 37 phili LG Evan Mathis, Sam Bradford, 1st 2016


7 saints trade up with chicago picks 13 44 3rd 2016

7 WR Amari Cooper Alabama 6-1 211
Drew is all about timing and route running is key. trying to make up for thr JG trade here to make him feel better. victor was of the board

12 - 20 146 2nd in 2016 to cleveland

12 OT La'el Collins LSU 6-4 305

31 ILB Stephone Anthony Clemson 6-3 243


33 OT Jake Fisher Oregon 6-6 306

37 CB Ronald Darby Florida State 5-11 193

75 - Ali Marpet OG Hobart 6-4 307

78 traded for 111 and a 3rd 2016 to miami


111 OLB Jake Ryan Michigan 6-2 240


140 DE/DT Leterrius Walton Central Michigan 6-5 319


161 Tenn 171 205


161 WR Darren Waller Georgia Tech

cap issues? nope and a boat load of picks still

Tenn 1st 2016 conditional in 2017
Jets 1st 2016 and 2nd 2017, LG Evan Mathis, Sam Bradford,
Miami 3nd 2016

Target Draft 2016 QB Connor Cook Michigan State

Evans is trade bait right away. same with Stafford. Browns offered a #1 for him. so let them draft a QB we like in the draft and trade later after he is signed?

Micky would shoot me for this draft.

now run the ball!

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Fanspeak's On the Clock Mock Draft Simulator

Pick Pos Name, Alma Mater, Height, Weight

Pick No. 013 (R1, 13) LB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6' 3", 246 lbs.

Pick No. 031 (R1, 31) DT Carl Davis, Iowa; Height: 6' 5"; Weight: 320 lbs. (Via Seattle)

Pick No. 044 (R2, 12) LB Stephone Anthony, Clemson, 6' 2⅜", 243 lbs.

Pick No. 075 (R3, 11) LB Taiwan Jones, Michigan St, 6' 3", 245 lbs.

Pick No. 078 (R3, 14) CB Eric Rowe, Utah, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Miami)

Pick No. 109 (R4, 13) (Traded to Seattle)

Pick No. 140 (R5, 12) Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas, 6' 3", 204 lbs

Pick No. 146 (R5, 18) OL Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6' 4", 307 lbs. (Via Kansas City)

Pick No. 171 (R6, 11) OL Tyler Moore, Florida, 6' 5", 320 lbs.

Pick 205 (R7, 13) TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma, 6' 6", 252 lbs.

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