2015 draft??

lee909 · 04-07-2015, 09:48 AM

Thats alot to give up imo
I have read a few reports of people saying that Williams may never be a great pass rusher. Loosing the third hurts imo.

K Major · 04-07-2015, 12:11 PM

I haven't seen or read the name Ben Heeney thrown around much on this board but what impressions do any of you have on him?

He could be the most athletic ILB no one is talking about.

saintsfan1976 · 04-07-2015, 08:48 PM

"Stumbled across this"

Or

"Jeanpierre just sent me an email"

jeanpierre · 04-07-2015, 11:52 PM

I like my scenario better, give up a future first round pick (hopefully it'd be pick no. 32 in the 2016 draft) and swap pick 13 for 4 and our latter 5th pick for their fourth round pick...

Or just send Cam and pick 13 for their no. 4...

Better still send Junior and pick 13 for no. 4...

hagan714 · 04-08-2015, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I haven't seen or read the name Ben Heeney thrown around much on this board but what impressions do any of you have on him?

He could be the most athletic ILB no one is talking about.

this is the year of small LB i guess.

a lot to like. picks like this are hard. high motor guy flies all over place

but i have watched the J-hawks a few time and the one negative i have is sloppy tackling. leverage and wrapping up is not his strong suit

then again coaching could very well be the issue in Kansas and the reason why you do not really scout that system for defensive players.

That could explain the scouting reports and all the bad guessing stuff. No one blames his instincts

jeanpierre · 04-10-2015, 03:45 AM

Level of competition is another factor in the equation...

How do these guys stack up when playing elite (later NFL) talent?!?

Some guys play lights out and maximize everything, but top out in college...

How do their games translate to the NFL where nearly every defensive lineman can run at or under a 5.1 40 yd dash?!?

Or by the second year in an NFL training room can bench 25-30 reps of 225 lbs?!?

It's finding that limited film against elite competition or making those dominating plays that make you sit up in your seat - that's what you have to scour to find...

SmashMouth · 04-11-2015, 08:18 AM

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saintsfan1976 · 04-11-2015, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Level of competition is another factor in the equation...

How do these guys stack up when playing elite (later NFL) talent?!?

The most intriguing question about Danny Shelton...

MarchingOn · 04-11-2015, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri?

oh goodie the fans want a carbon copy of Jr on the other side. i will be ticked if we pick Ray, Jr. and those two are our starting OLB

all i can say is run forest run

run right at them.

Run right at who? Jr and Ray? Jr cannot set the edge nor tackle.

MarchingOn · 04-11-2015, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Nor should any of us...

If you're gonna spend a first round pick on a right tackle, I'd spend it on Oregon's Fisher...but I wouldn't waste it on the Pitt guy...

Should Colorado St's Ty Sambrailo falls to us with one of our third round picks, that'd be a gifted athlete to grab and best scenario...

Third Round targets include OU's Daryl Williams, Texas A&M's Cedric Ogbuehi, or Penn St's Donovan Smith...

The priority after initial FA and subsequent trades has to be that front seven in the defense (OLB, DE, ILB); it has got to be fortified, improved.

Some late round sleepers - Toledo's Chase Nelson and West Virginia's Mark Glowinski and Eastern Washington's Jake Rodgers...

Rodgers is the guy I've started taking a real interest in and someone I'd hope the Saints are as well...

I'd add Tre Jackson in the 3rd. Maybe even the 2nd if we haven't taken OL by then.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by hagan714 Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri? oh goodie the fans want a carbon copy of Jr on the other side. i will be ticked if we pick Ray, Jr. and those two are our starting OLB all i can say is run forest run run right at them. Run right at who? Jr and Ray? Jr cannot set the edge nor tackle.

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MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2015 draft?? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Nor should any of us... If you're gonna spend a first round pick on a right tackle, I'd spend it on Oregon's Fisher...but I wouldn't waste it on the Pitt guy... Should Colorado St's Ty Sambrailo falls to us with one of our third round picks, that'd be a gifted athlete to grab and best scenario... Third Round targets include OU's Daryl Williams, Texas A&M's Cedric Ogbuehi, or Penn St's Donovan Smith... The priority after initial FA and subsequent trades has to be that front seven in the defense (OLB, DE, ILB); it has got to be fortified, improved. Some late round sleepers - Toledo's Chase Nelson and West Virginia's Mark Glowinski and Eastern Washington's Jake Rodgers... Rodgers is the guy I've started taking a real interest in and someone I'd hope the Saints are as well... I'd add Tre Jackson in the 3rd. Maybe even the 2nd if we haven't taken OL by then.

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